northern vs. southern spanish iq, redux

**update 08/03/12: see bottom of post.**

to find out whether or not there are regional differences in iq in spain, the reluctant apostate suggested looking at the pisa scores (which seem to be a good proxy for iq scores) from 2009 for spain, which are broken down regionally here. so i did.

they look like this:

Spain (Castile and Leon) 507
Spain (Catalonia) 499
Spain (Madrid) 499
Spain (Basque Country) 496
Spain (Navarre) 495
Spain (Aragon) 492
Spain (Asturias) 492
Spain (Cantabria) 488
Spain (La Rioja) 488
Spain (Murcia) 484
Spain (Galicia) 483

Spain (Balearic Islands) 461
Spain (Andalusia) 458
Spain (Canary Islands) 444
Spain (Ceuta and Melilla) 403

Spain (Castile and Leon) 514
Spain (Navarre) 511
Spain (Basque Country) 510
Spain (Aragon) 506
Spain (La Rioja) 504
Spain (Catalonia) 496
Spain (Madrid) 496
Spain (Cantabria) 495
Spain (Asturias) 494
Spain (Galicia) 489
Spain (Murcia) 478

Spain (Balearic Islands) 464
Spain (Andalusia) 462
Spain (Canary Islands) 435
Spain (Ceuta and Melilla) 417

Spain (Castile and Leon) 516
Spain (La Rioja) 509
Spain (Navarre) 509
Spain (Madrid) 508
Spain (Galicia) 506
Spain (Aragon) 505
Spain (Asturias) 502
Spain (Cantabria) 500
Spain (Catalonia) 497
Spain (Basque Country) 495
Spain (Murcia) 484

Spain (Andalusia) 469
Spain (Balearic Islands) 461
Spain (Canary Islands) 452
Spain (Ceuta and Melilla) 416

as you can see, the further south — or offshore — you go in spain, the lower the pisa scores. here’s a map of the different regions in spain:

in fact, while the scores of most of the regions become gradually lower by a few points in each instance, the scores of the four lowest regions (andalusia, the balearic islands, the canary island, and ceuta & melilla [which are actually in morocco]) drop off dramatically by anywhere from 14 to 22 points compared to the next highest scoring region (e.g. in reading, the balearic islands score was 461, while the next highest was galicia at 483, a 22 point difference).

v. weiss suggests that a maths pisa score of 463 — the closest to the andalucia score of 462 — is the equivalent of an iq of 93, whereas a pisa score of 514 — the score of the highest scoring region, castile and leon — is the equivalent of an iq of 99.

if he’s correct, that would give the southernmost region of spain an iq like that of greece, while the average iq of people in one of the largest northern regions is more like that of poland or hungary.

so, maybe there is a north vs. south iq division in spain like the one found in italy (although the existence of that one has been disputed).

previously: españa al norte frente al sur

update: see also the reluctant apostate’s awesome maps of italy and spain’s pisa scores, which are awesome (the maps, that is, not necessarily the scores). (~_^)

update 08/03/12: frank is doubtful that there is a north-south divide in pisa scores in spain. the numbers say differently (latitudes grabbed from geohack):

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what’s your sign?

a while ago, hail wrote an interesting post about astrology and how there might be a little something to it.

i’ve thought this, too, from time to time — that there might be a kernel truth or “folk wisdom” at the bottom of all the astrology hocus-pocus nonsense. clearly our fates are not written in the stars — and i highly, highly doubt that our personalities are affected by the positions of the planets when we are born (unless there’s some really weird, quantum physics, interconnectedness sh*t going on…).

no. what i think that people over the ages might have noticed is that there are some differences in the frequencies of personality types and|or psychological conditions depending on what time of the year people are born.

for instance: “Studies have indicated that children born during certain times of the year (winter and early spring) have a higher than normal incidence of schizophrenia.”

if das volk happened to notice over the centuries that more joan-of-arc type people were born in late winter, they may have sought an explanation. that they latched on to a wrong one just shows how most people don’t think logically and scientifically — but they may have noticed some genuine patterns out there!

the other interesting astrological system is the chinese one which varies over the course of 12 (or 48) years. i’ve wondered for a long time if this is somehow connected to the length of generations in humans (especially if women in a society start giving birth at around the age of 12) — each generation following the next behaving somewhat differently from its predecessor. ?? dunno. just wondering.

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hbdchick a white supremacist

at least that’s what anonymous** says. not once, but twice. once i woulda taken as an interpretation, albeit an incorrect one. twice — well, then you’re just trying to cast aspersions. and my response to that?

f*ck off.

you wanna come ’round here and say — “hbdchick, your ideas are supremely stupid|wrong because of this, that and the other” — fine. you wanna come ’round here and say — “hbdchick, you are the dumbest creature to ever walk the planet because of this, that and the other” — i’m cool with that.

you gonna come ’round here with your giiiiirlie-man shaming techniques and try to bully me into shutting up by calling me nasty, nasty, baddy names — well, that sh*t ain’t gonna fly ’round here, pal, so don’t even bother.

anonymous’ problem with what i had to say (apart from the fact, i think, that he thinks that i was trying to insult east asians) is: “I do not see how you can examine history to look at biology.”

well, what is history? it’s the totality of human behaviors, plus freaky acts of nature like earthquakes and tsunamis and sh*t, isn’t it? and where do human behaviors come from? well, we behave the way we do because of our innate natures and the effects of the environment on those natures. so, human history is, at least partially, rooted in biology. that’s why i think you can examine history to look at biology. it’s complicated, sure, but so what? dontcha wanna KNOW?

**some people don’t like online anonymity. i think it’s the greatest f*cking thing since the invention of stone tools — or maybe even sliced bread! that people can voice their opinions without the fear of being watsoned? awesomesauce! i will fight to the death (or until i break a nail) for anonymous’ right to be anonymous, even tho he comes off sounding like a ‘tard.

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españa al norte frente al sur

is there a north vs. south iq division in spain like there is in italy? i’ve never heard anyone mention it:


“(ANSAmed) – MADRID, MARCH 25 – The crisis has split Spain in two, with the north and south emerging from the economic downturn at completely different paces. The former has practically emerged from the tunnel of the recession, while the latter is having difficulty latching onto the economic recovery….”

update 03/30: i checked the data for spain in lynn & vanhanen’s “iq and the wealth of nations” (appendix i) to see if i could see any hints about a north-south divide in iq in the country. didn’t turn up anything, so we’re left hangin’ here….

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whites most anxious

Fig 1 – Percentage of DSM-IV diagnoses across racial groups (SAD = social anxiety disorder, GAD = generalized anxiety disorder, PD = panic disorder, PTSD = post-traumatic stress disorder).


“A Cross-Ethnic Comparison of Lifetime Prevalence Rates of Anxiety Disorders”

“Figure 1 shows the prevalence rates of DSM-IV social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder for each individual racial group. As was found across a range of psychiatric disorders, Asian Americans consistently endorsed symptoms of all four anxiety disorders less frequently than any of the other racial groups. White Americans consistently endorsed symptoms of SAD (12.6%), GAD (8.6%) and PD (5.1%) more frequently than African Americans (8.6%, 4.9%, 3.8%, respectively), Hispanic Americans (8.2%, 5.8%, 4.1%, respectively), and Asian Americans (5.3%, 2.4%, 2.1%, respectively). African Americans more frequently met criteria for PTSD (8.6%) as compared to the White American subgroup (6.5%), Hispanic Americans (5.6%), and Asian Americans (1.6%)….

“Several studies have suggested that … a greater identification with one’s minority racial or cultural status is associated with higher levels of collective self esteem….”

for example.

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