start with these key posts:
– viscous populations and the selection for altruistic behaviors
– big summary post on the hajnal line
I am from India – South India to be exact. I find that you have not studied the Indian clannishness much. Here is some helpful tips:
1. South India allows cousin marriages; but only cross cousins are allowed to marry. In the traditional kinship, there is no distinction between own siblings and first cousins. You are supposed to treat the first cousins like your own blood brothers / sisters. Cross cousin marriage was so prevalent in South India, it is almost the only recognized form of marriage! If one marries a total stranger also, immediately an artificial kinship is created between the parents of the bride and groom – the bride’s father is ‘deemed’ to be a brother of the groom’s mother, and the bride’s mother is ‘deemed’ to be a sister of the groom’s father. They address each other so – ‘brother’ or ‘sister’! This of course adds to the confusion, so you cannot readily distinguish a true cross-cousin marriage from the marriage of second degree cross cousins or even total strangers. Add the caste system, whereby even the total stranger has to be from your caste, the picture is complete – even the ‘total’ stranger is related to you someway or other.
2. North India allows limited exogamy – no cousin marriages, to five generations; no marriage within the village, even if the boy and girl are from different castes (and such inter–caste marriages used to be rare); everyone belongs to a clan (gotra) within the caste, and no marriage within your gotra too; and yet you have to marry only within your caste! So, a certain diversity is obtained within the confines of the caste. North Indian castes are very large. South Indian castes are small, and inbreeding is very high for generations. Still, the effects of such a massive inbreeding over centuries is comparatively small.
I am following your thoughts with interest. Lets see.
@r.s. gopalan – “I find that you have not studied the Indian clannishness much.”
i know! i very much want to look at the mating patterns in india, but i (unfortunately) know very little about india, so i feel it’s a pretty daunting task. where to begin? india is so BIG!
thanks very much for the tips! i will delve into india…one of these days! (^_^)
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Pakistan is not part of the “Arabized” world – it is not an Arab country in any way.
If any of you are familiar with Dr. David Lykken of the University of MN Psychology Dept.
( author of seminal identical twins studies), they may wish to review the following article advocating Parental Licensure.
This proposal would have manifold societal benefits, not the least of which would be to assure that natural-born children would enjoy the same protections that adoptive children receive, i.e. crime-free, drug-free, economically stable parents.
Fascinating reading and very thought-provoking, esp. in the HBD context:
Here’s one for you. Know anything about the history and genetics of freed slaves on the Atlantic island of Saint Helena pre-1825? The Saint Helena website* says that slaves on the island were first of East African & Madagascan background, then later they were of Indian and Malay backgrounds, but I wonder what the genetics has to say?
My mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s mother was born in 1825 on the island of Saint Helena, the daughter of freed slaves who seemed to have been on the island by c. 1750.
The Madagascan or Malay background concurs with genetic testing my brother did about 6 years ago which said that his mtDNA indicated Asian/Polynesian ancestry.
The rest of my grandmother’s line was Scottish (mostly) and Cornish and English, and we’ve been in Australia since the 1850-60s.
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