reparations

whaddya suppose the statute of limitations is on reparations for slavery?

i mean, there was plenty of slavery back in medieval europe (pgs. 43-65 and 88-113), and given that my entire extended family are a bunch of lovable lugs, i’m pretty sure many of my ancestors were probably on the receiving end of all that enslavement, so where do i apply?

come to think of it — african-americans ought to think about demanding reparations from some african nations. and i don’t mean because some of the people from those countries, who are all now long gone, were involved in the transatlantic slave trade, but rather because the ancestors of many african-americans were probably slaves back IN africa. somebody oughta sue…somebody!

see also: The Case against Reparations from kevin d. williamson

(note: comments do not require an email. saint adalbertus liberates slavic slaves.)

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  1. HBD* Chick asks:

    Whaddya suppose the statute of limitations is on reparations for slavery?

    I respond:

    Pathological altruism’s expiration date.

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  2. I think the only fair thing to do would be to restrict the payment of reparations from people descended from slave owners to people descended from slaves.

    Since African Americans are about 20% white genetically they’re the only population that’s all descended from slave holders.

    The solution is obvious.

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  3. Utterly inadequate response to Coates’ article. I just plugged the whole essay into a MS word document. 46 pages long. The section on slavery? 3 pages. He is talking about a lot more than slavery here.

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  4. How is it that the same people who enslaved the poor darkies, 500,300,150 years ago and certainly have died, may pay for repairs??
    Typical of psychopaths, like most blacks are.
    The leftoids run loose idea of ​​ timeless collective continuity of races. That is to say, white yet unborn is hopelessly guilty for slavery of blacks.
    I have a brother, as I have said more than once, which is a leftoid. It’s funny because it is an abstract angel only for black people. In contrast, there are many irrational insults to any other group, Asian, fat, gay, tattooed. Anyone who is not black, can be the target of his ”moralizing” machine gun.
    Stupid people make the rules for us, simple as that.

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  5. Living in the US in 2011 is reparation. When you correct for cognitive ability are African Americans doing worse than other ethnic groups, including whites? Which is not to say that the cognitively disadvantaged don’t deserve social policies which make it possible for them to lead a good life if they work hard and play by the rules, which we don’t have now (immigration, trade). It just isn’t a racial issue.

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  6. Except for the 18th Century and early 19th Century, the capture of European slaves for North Africa was larger than the capture of African slaves for the few places where slavery was practised. In 1645 Cromwell interrupted the siege of Bristol to send ships to rescue 20,000 people captured by the Barbary pirates for sale as slaves in Algeria. The US Marines were created to fight the Barbary slavers. They invaded Tripoli in 1805 and Algiers in 1816. Slaves were captured from Iceland to Italy. Entire villages were abducted at a time. There are no small fishing villages around the Western Mediterranean; allegedly. There are big ones with walls. The population withdrew from the coast. More than one million people were captured.

    Elsewhere in the Ottoman Empire, the Tatars of the Crimea captured at least 2.0 million people from Little Russia (Modern Ukraine & South Russia) and the Caucasus mountains during the last 500 years. Although in the Caucasus, young women sometimes volunteered to be sold into slavery as life in a rich merchant’s household in Istanbul could be preferable to poverty in their home village. When the Russians launched their genocide against the Circassians, apparently the price of a Christian girl became affordable to mere shopkeepers as families fled to Turkey and sold their daughters. Boris Johnson’s great grandmother was supposedly a blond haired Circassian slave of his Great Grandfather who later married her.

    The Ottomans also traded for slaves on Africa’s East Coast, again several million in the last 500 years.

    The Ottomans generally sought young women as luxury items. Older women and men were less valuable, unlike the Atlantic Slave Trade which valued men for their capacity to work. Women were for minor tasks and rearing children with the men. In Ottomans lands, slaves were not encouraged to breed and the young women were generally obliged to serve their male owners.

    Europeans could not survive disease in West Africa until the 19th Century. They did not capture slaves. They bought them from local middle men, mostly African in the later stages but originally mostly Arab. These were the same Arab families that traded in European slaves in North Africa, connecting through Timbuktu.

    So who claims reparations from who?

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  7. Most blacks were sold into slavery by tribes, sometimes their own kinfolk. But in 9th century Scandinavia, I have seen estimates that 80% of the population were slaves, no doubt many of my ancestors were on either side of that. Slavery has been around since prehistory. Everyone is descended from slaves, so I guess we could pay ourselves reparations! I’ll have a beer.

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  8. So in the end, all the reparations the peoples of the world owe one another cancel out. That means we should just forget about it and move forward….i think i’m being too optimistic.

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  9. “Utterly inadequate response to Coates’ article”

    With all due respect, the most adequate response to Coates’ article would be to ignore it, along with everything else this nitwit writes. If ever there was an example of an affirmative action hire, it’s Coates. I’m sure that there are plenty of black people in the United States who could write a reasoned piece on the case for reparations for blacks, but Coates is not it. He always gives the impression of being about one page away from starting to rave about the evil Dr. Yakub inventing white devils in his laboratory. ..

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  10. @t.greer – “Utterly inadequate response to Coates’ article.”

    not meant to be a response — just a bit of sarcasm flung at coates et al. who think that people living today ought to be held responsible for things that other, now dead, people did in the past. sins of the fathers and all that.

    the more than adequate response is from williamson. which is why i linked to it.

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  11. @luke – “Which is not to say that the cognitively disadvantaged don’t deserve social policies which make it possible for them to lead a good life if they work hard and play by the rules, which we don’t have now (immigration, trade).”

    exactly! and not to mention the fact that african-americans are AMERICANS, and so deserve policies that will benefit them as fellow citizens. our pols shouldn’t be passing laws to benefit citizens of other countries before our own! hmpf.

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  12. @jonathan – “Steve posted an old article where some officials from Benin publicly apologized for their ancestors’ role in the slave trade.”

    silly officials! (>_<)

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  13. @Phillip Owen

    “So who claims reparations from who?”

    Quite. The fact it’s limited to only one specific slave trade and even then only the culpability of one specific ethnic group among all the different ethnic groups involved in that trade undermines any claim to it being about morality.

    @Jonathan

    “Steve posted an old article where some officials from Benin publicly apologized for their ancestors’ role in the slave trade.”

    Let them and the Arabs begin the reparations then. When white people have been paid reparations for the Moorish and Ottoman slave trades we can pay black people.

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  14. @Greying Wanderer: To me, the more interesting point is that you had Africans publicly taking some responsibility and not throwing all the blame on the white man. As for reparations, none have actually been paid yet so I don’t get your vitriol, to be honest.

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  15. @Jonathan

    No vitriol. Media attention on reparations provides an opportunity for some historical education on the Moorish and Ottoman slave trades. Seems a shame to waste it.

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  16. @GW: Sorry for taking your comments the wrong way, but the Moorish and Ottoman slave trades appear to be tangential. The Dahomey kingdom provided slaves mainly for European traders, not Arabs or Ottomans, or at least it was their role in the Atlantic, rather than North African/Mediterranean, slave trade that the Benin officials were apologizing for. This is about recognizing that Europeans weren’t just conducting lightning raids on peaceful African villages as often portrayed, but that local African authorities themselves were actively complicit in slavery.

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  17. Quite. The fact it’s limited to only one specific slave trade and even then only the culpability of one specific ethnic group among all the different ethnic groups involved in that trade undermines any claim to it being about morality

    I’m late, but still wanted to add this for posterity–the above was clearly shown recently in France. The new Attorney General’s a black woman from the Antilles (Christine Taubira), and back when she was an MP, she sponsored a law declaring the Atlantic slave trade ‘a crime against humanity.’ The law also declared it must be given ‘due weight’ in school curriculum. Anyone not giving it ‘due weight’ can in fact be brought up on charges, as a prominent historian was in 2008 when he said ‘the Atlantic slave trade was not a genocide.’

    When Taubira was asked why the law only mentioned the European but not the as-large (if not larger) Arab slave trade, she had the couilles to say, ‘Our young Arabs shouldn’t have to carry the weight of every bad thing done by their ancestors.’ (!!!) Interesting that the U.S. and France have both nominated leftist Caribbean Attorneys General with a rather large chip on their shoulder, at roughly the same time.

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  18. @Jonathan

    Yes, fair enough. Leaving out who was doing the selling is another example how this argument about reparations is actually group competition pretending to be morality.

    @M.G

    Quite.

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  19. @m.g. – “When Taubira was asked why the law only mentioned the European but not the as-large (if not larger) Arab slave trade, she had the couilles to say, ‘Our young Arabs shouldn’t have to carry the weight of every bad thing done by their ancestors.’ (!!!)”

    this is just soooo far out. =/

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  20. It’s not even a debate. My people suffered under the Ottomans and certain nomads for centuries. No fucking way will I ever pay some black guy for what his great grandfather experienced. They also seem to forget that black slaves were more valuable than the white ones.

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