1000 years of european history reallyreallyfast

northern italy in the 1200s and “germany” in the 1500-1700s are just insane!:


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(edit: about the jello wrestling thing. (~_^) )

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  1. @Luke Lea- Norway, Sweden, Spain, France, and the Ottoman Empire for a good three century stretch.

    If by stability we mean “no constant or catastrophic changes in borders.”

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  2. I’ve noticed this before but: Holy Roman Empire. The switch over from one single unified state covering much of what would become Europe’s outbred core, to a melange of individual warring states that lasts for a very long time is stark, especially as powers outside of the core are all consolidating.

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    1. Further thought along that line: Looking at the map as it evolves, it really looks like the states in core Europe would have preferred to remain separate entities, but the outer consolidated states forced them to also consolidate in order to remain unconquered.

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  3. I remember laughing when I read that much the oldest border in Europe (or maybe Western Europe) was the Scotland/England one, but it does seem to be true. Any other contenders?

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  4. Hmmm, this map can be ilusory because of demographic density in Europe during this period. Greater urban communication and political complexity explain theposterior darwinian success of germans even when they were quasi-exterminated during the war of 30 years.
    Germans was two times quasi-exterminated, black death and war of thirty years, in the two events was expected that 20-30% of population was eliminated. If, Principate, whatever, of Lithuania, was as well populated than German territories, would the similar political configuration.

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  5. Dearieme, the Pyrennes border between France and Spain was pretty stable over the same timescale as the Scots/English border, even though the conditions on either side of that border weren’t as stable. Also, in that video, the border between “Hungary” and “Poland” seemed really stable for a long time, though I suspect that’s from lack of information.

    Chick – I *did* make the argument that there can be selective pressures against intelligence on that post.

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  6. I wonder what great empires there will be in the future. Or is it just economic spheres of influence these days?

    About the jelllo business, it’s funny how Jayman shut them up simply by suggesting a discussion of the facts. It seems “you so stoopid” is all they have.

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  7. Most of the action in Europe seems to be along the corridor connecting, and rivers draining into, a North Sea Civilisation (the Northeast Atlantic Archipelago!) and a South Sea Civilisation (the Med.); Denmark and Italy both being in strategic positions in relation to their respective maritime trading arenas.

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  8. @sisyphean – “I’ve noticed this before but: Holy Roman Empire. The switch over from one single unified state covering much of what would become Europe’s outbred core, to a melange of individual warring states that lasts for a very long time is stark, especially as powers outside of the core are all consolidating. Further thought along that line: Looking at the map as it evolves, it really looks like the states in core Europe would have preferred to remain separate entities, but the outer consolidated states forced them to also consolidate in order to remain unconquered.”

    yes. the center of europe is really funny, isn’t it? like you say, it went from holy roman empire to a bunch of little petty kingdoms that really didn’t want to unite! for centuries! and it’s kinda cool to watch the pressure on the outside edges of “germany.” don’t know what to make of it, but it sure is interesting!

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  9. @anthony – “Chick – I *did* make the argument that there can be selective pressures against intelligence on that post.”

    oh, right! thanks. yeah — good points!

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  10. @staffan – “About the jelllo business, it’s funny how Jayman shut them up simply by suggesting a discussion of the facts. It seems ‘you so stoopid’ is all they have.”

    well, it’s all about taking a moral stance with these people, isn’t it? which is interesting — but more than a little frustrating at times!

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  11. @kate – “Most of the action in Europe seems to be along the corridor connecting, and rivers draining into, a North Sea Civilisation (the Northeast Atlantic Archipelago!) and a South Sea Civilisation (the Med.); Denmark and Italy both being in strategic positions in relation to their respective maritime trading arenas.”

    it’s middle francia, by god! (^_^)

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