linkfest – 08/27/13

New data reveal extent of genetic overlap between major mental disordersgwas study**: “[T]he overlap was highest between schizophrenia and bipolar disorder; moderate for bipolar disorder and depression and for ADHD and depression; and low between schizophrenia and autism. Overall, common genetic variation accounted for 17-28 percent of risk for the illnesses.” (**that’s redundant, isn’t it? sorry.)

Common genes may underlie alcohol dependence, eating disorders“In a study of nearly 6,000 adult twins, researchers found that common genetic factors seemed to underlie both alcoholism and certain eating disorder symptoms—namely, binge eating and purging habits, such as self-induced vomiting or laxative abuse. Genes appeared to explain 38 percent to 53 percent of the risk of developing those disorders.”

Multiple Genes Manage How People Taste Sweeteners

As Humans Change Landscape, Brains of Some Animals Change, Too“A new study suggests that the brains of several small mammals, including those of the little brown bat, have grown bigger as humans have altered the animals’ living conditions.” – ruh roh.

African genes tracked back“[The researchers] saw signs reflecting two waves of migration: one about 3,000 years ago, of non-Africans entering east Africa, and a second one 900–1,800 years ago, as east Africans migrated to southern Africa and brought non-African genes along with them…. Because of this two-step migration, some Khoe-San groups who were thought to have been genetically quite isolated actually carry 1–5% non-African DNA….”

Study Says Oldest Known Human Y-Chromosome Branch Dates to 338,000 Years Ago – h/t michael anissimov!

Genetic Research Suggests Indian Caste System Began 1,900 Years Ago – h/t david pinsen! – and speaking of castes: Caste outside of India: black blacksmiths from steve sailer.

Handaxe design reveals distinct Neanderthal cultures“Two cultural traditions existed among Neanderthals living in what is now northern Europe between 115,000 to 35,000 years ago…. [T]wo separate handaxe traditions or designs existed – one in a region now spanning south-western France and Britain – the other in Germany and further to the East.”

The Behavioral Ecology of Chimpanzee War and Liberal Peace“[V]iolent aggression among humans and chimps is a flexible natural propensity that tends to be stronger in males than in females, and the expression of that propensity depends on the social circumstances that determine the relative costs and benefits of violent fighting.” – @darwinian conservatism.

Breast feeding, intelligence, and confounded researchers – from dr. james thompson.

Two Failures to Replicate High-Performance-Goal Priming Effects

Babies learn words before birth“Brain responses suggest infants can distinguish distinct sounds from altered versions.”

Women and eye color“There is…a sex difference, with women having a more diverse palette of eye colors.” – from peter frost.

Are atheists mentally ill? – via mr. mangan, esq.

How Personality Affects Fertility: Men’s and Women’s Personalities Linked to Likelihood That They Will Have Children“Men with neurotic personality traits are having fewer children compared to previous generations…. It also found that men who are extraverted and open tend to have more children, while women who rank as conscientious on personality tests tend to have fewer children, although these findings were constant across generations.” – study done in norway. – via hbd bibliography.

Human brains are hardwired for empathy, friendship, study shows

Kinship or Citizenship? – steve sailer reviews mark weiner‘s The Rule of the Clan.

There is no hope of democracy in the Middle East“Most people, in other times and other places, have lived in societies more like Game of Thrones than Borgen, clannish rather than democratic, where people feel their loyalty and duty is towards other members of their extended family or religious community. To get people to work in the best interests of strangers so that you accept their authority when they get more people into the polling booth than you, is an achievement, not a natural state…. Egypt is an ancient civilisation but it is a clannish society….” – from ed west. (^_^) see also: Ed West interview: debating the ‘illusions’ of a diverse society.

Whence Afro criminality? – @thosewhocansee.

Steven Pinker, Science, and “Scientism”“In reality, the issue here is not whether this imaginary ‘science’ object exists and, assuming it does, whether it is ‘good’ or ‘evil.’ It is about whether we should be empowered to learn things about the universe in which we live or not. The opponents of ‘scientism’ typically rail against such things as eugenics, Social Darwinism, and the atomic bomb. These are supposedly the creations of the ‘science’ object. But, in fact, they are no such thing.” – really good stuff @helian unbound. via hbd bibliography. also from h.u. (he’s on a roll this week): Of Ingroups, Outgroups and Ideology.

The Arab Spring has failed because constitutional democracy needs nation-states – via ed west. see also: Egyptian Mirages from thomas sowell – “However widespread the desire to be free, it is wholly different from a desire to live in a society where others are free.” – yup.

How the light gets out – re. consciousness: “…the attention schema theory. It says that awareness is not something magical that emerges from the functioning of the brain. When you look at the colour blue, for example, your brain doesn’t generate a subjective experience of blue. Instead, it acts as a computational device. It computes a description, then attributes an experience of blue to itself. The process is all descriptions and conclusions and computations. Subjective experience, in the theory, is something like a myth that the brain tells itself. The brain *insists* that it has subjective experience because, when it accesses its inner data, it finds that information.”

Notes from Beijing: About That Chinese Social Contract“The traditional Chinese social contract was not a compact between individuals and the state, but a compact between Chinese society as a whole and the state…. Self interested calculations of rational individuals coolly weighing their economic and political interests never really seemed to be part of the program.” – from t. greer.

Fragile and Dangerous – Men with Borderline Personality Disorder – from staffan.

23 Signs You’re Secretly An Introvert – 20 out of 23. (*^_^*) (no way i could give a talk to an audience of 500. No. Way.) – classic link: Caring for Your Introvert.

Genomic Differences Found in Types of Cervical Cancer“…the spectrum of cancer-related gene mutations in the two main subtypes of cervical cancer — adenocarcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma. In tests on 80 cervical tumor samples, the investigators found high rates of mutations in two genes: PIK3CA and KRAS. While PIK3CA mutations appeared in both subtypes, KRAS mutations were found only in adenocarcinomas.”

US behavioural research studies skew positive“US behavioural researchers have been handed a dubious distinction — they are more likely than their colleagues in other parts of the world to exaggerate findings, according to a study published today.”

Neolithic chefs spiced their food“Mineral grains from garlic-mustard seeds found in 6,000-year-old cooking pots.” – mmmmmmm!

Denmark’s historic claim to the Faroes in doubt as archaeologists find proof that islands were inhabited before arrival of first Norse colonists“Discovery indicates existence of sea-faring northern Europeans before Vikings.”

bonus: Birds know road speed limits“Crows, house sparrows and other species judge when to flee the asphalt by average traffic rates rather than an oncoming car’s speed.”

bonus bonus: Beetles eat greedy offspring Edinburgh University research finds“Burying beetles occasionally punish young who nag for food by eating those who pester them most…. It encourages the larvae to plead more honestly according to how hungry they are and not try to outdo their siblings by pestering their mother for food.” – so there!

bonus bonus bonus: Saudi Arabia’s War on Witchcraft“A special unit of the religious police pursues magical crime aggressively, and the convicted face death sentences.”

bonus bonus bonus bonus: Bacteria can cause pain on their own“Microbes caused discomfort in mice by activating nervous system, not immune response.”

bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus: World’s first pocket calculator goes up for auction: ‘Exceptionally rare’ 17th century machine made of wood could fetch £100,000

bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus: Oldest globe to depict the New World may have been discovered

bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus bonus: An update to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs

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47 Comments

  1. While Richard Dawkins has something of an android about him I think this war between atheists and religious seems pointless. Science is exploring the sensory realm and religion is metaphysics which makes sense to some but not to others.

    I think religion is part of human nature and some atheists appear to be closeted believers. But I wouldn’t rule out that there are genuine atheists too, perhaps a recent addition to humanity. If so then welcome to the party : )

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  2. Pinker says “eugenics, Social Darwinism, and the atomic bomb” as if they were bad things!

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  3. @jayman – “About the personality and fertility, the pattern they found is not universal.”

    ah ha! yes, i wondered. thanks!

    (“Abo” — is that code for something? (~_^) )

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  4. @staffan – “I think religion is part of human nature and some atheists appear to be closeted believers.”

    i often have the impression that atheists are as much of “believers” as theists, just the flip-side of the coin. i really have that impression of the militant atheists like dawkins.

    to me, the only sensible, logical position seems to be agnosticism — but then i would say that, ’cause i am very neurotic. (~_^)

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  5. “However widespread the desire to be free, it is wholly different from a desire to live in a society where others are free.”

    That was the problem with early America and, as far as that goes, for the entire history of America. A similar problem existed with clannishness in Britain. The Celtic British descendants in America are still acting problematically clannish to this day, unsure they want to offer freedom to everyone else as they want for themselves.

    It is nearly impossible to run a free society that way. The dysfunction of American government largely has to do with many Americans being uncertain about democracy itself because of how it equalizes power among all citizens. I hope one day America has a free society as well. We are a work in progress.

    I think looking to Arab countries is helpful because it offers a mirror to our own problems at home.

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  6. Women who breastfeed are those with the time and opportunity to do so.

    A poor family is more likely to both parents working (full-time if not multiple jobs) and the mother in particular constantly busy even when not at work. Poor mothers have no choice but to rely more on formula. Also, because they are busier, they have less time to read to their children and do others activities that have been proven to increase cognitive ability. Besides issues of formula, poor mothers are more likely to be malnutritioned and so are their children, a major cause of decreased cognitive development. Living in a stressful environment, lead paint in old houses, and on and on.

    Maybe if researchers simply took into account all the complex confounding factors of socio-economic class most of the IQ differences would disappear. The best way to boost IQ in the population would be to solve the problems of poverty, economic inequality and social mobility. But those are the very problems most of those among the middle and upper classes, including scientists, don’t want to face.

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  7. About “Whence Afro criminality?”, it is hard to respond such arguments because the author doesn’t consider the confounding factors. Looking at correlations without looking at confounding factors is the complete opposite of helpful.

    If socio-economic class and systemic racial prejudice were taken into account, what would remain of many racial differences. I have yet to see this fully analyzed, but there sure are a lot of opinions. I must admit I get tired of opinions in search of supporting data rather than people merely seeking data to learn what might be discovered.

    Here is what has been proven and yet ignored by the likes of the author.

    More whites do drugs than blacks, but more blacks are in prison for drugs. Studies have shown that blacks are more often pulled over by police than whites, more often have criminal charges brought against them than whites for the same behaviors, are more likely to be judged more harshly by juries than whites for the same crimes, and more likely to be punished more harshly by judges than whites for the same crimes. These are the inconvenient truths that most Americans don’t want to face.

    Poverty and lack of social mobility are major problems facing minorities, the former increasing and the latter decreasing in America these past decades. This of course relates to racism. Data has shown how discrimination has limited opportunities for blacks for many generations now. There was discrimination during the Progressive Era government assistance programs. There has been discrimination since involving housing, employment and bank loans.

    We also know that poor rural Southern whites are the most violent group in America. But those who point out the problems of blacks never seem to notice or acknowledge this disconcerting fact. Like blacks, what these rural whites share is poverty, lack of opportunity, and a long history of oppression/scapegoating by the upper classes.

    We all know this. It is no longer an issue that can be argued. Why can’t we have an honest discussion about all of this? What would be so horrible about objectively looking at all the data instead of cherrypicking what fits our preconceived conclusions?

    What we don’t know is, after all these confounding factors are accounted for, what remains for the differences in crimes and IQ. Many are willing to offer opinions, but few opinions are very well informed on the matter. We need to get serious about this and quite playing scapegoating games.

    America has massive problems of racism and classism that are inseparable from problems of poverty, economic inequality and social mobility. These problems are larger than any other problems we face.

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  8. “We also know that poor rural Southern whites are the most violent group in America. But those who point out the problems of blacks never seem to notice or acknowledge this disconcerting fact.”

    Uhh maybe because the “fact” is total bullshit, you just made it up and keep repeating it without any evidence. AE has the actual numbers:

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2013/01/black-homicide-rates-by-state.html

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2013/01/white-murder-rates-by-state.html

    Southern whites aren’t even the most violent amongst just whites; southwestern whites are. But the more important fact is how much higher, monumentally higher, the black rates are for every state.

    Which everyone who wasn’t a hick from a 99% white Midwestern zip code KNEW ALREADY.

    I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your claims, there is no reason to believe they have any truth when you keep repeating falsehoods and provide no data for anything. No one needs the opinion of an ignorant liberal hick on race relations, either. Have you even met any real life black people yet?

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  9. World’s first pocket calculator goes up for auction: ‘Exceptionally rare’ 17th century machine made of wood could fetch £100,000

    Wrong. Some Greek crafted something similar, made of bronze, which was dredged up off the bottom of the Mediterranean several decades ago. This I know from some Teaching Company lectures by a classical archaeologist my wife was watching — saw it myself!

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  10. When will they talk about mental disorders that affect the Ashkenazi population? (Eg psychopathy)

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  11. @gottlieb – “They found that the diversity of Africa, formed by non-African genes was introduced by people outside of Africa?”

    some of the diversity in africa.

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  12. i’m ”racist” because i don’t have blood cheap.
    bs… I’m not saying that all hbd” ‘non-racist”’ has blood cheap, but I’m emotional, I live a thousand without even leaving your seat.

    Now, that blacks are so DIFFERENT they are. They do not have neanderthal mix and are more genetically distant than all other eurasians.
    But do not blame me for that. Or I become racist or turns feijoada in voodoo.
    Blame those who invented (innocently) all that crap to make us live in idiocracy 1984.

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  13. RE: African genes tracked back –

    Related to that is a new paper which I was sent a link to:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=mtDNA+variation+in+East+Africa+unravels+the+history+of+Afro-Asiatic+groups

    Am J Phys Anthropol. 2013 Mar;150(3):375-85. doi: 10.1002/ajpa.22212. Epub 2013 Jan 3.

    mtDNA variation in East Africa unravels the history of Afro-Asiatic groups.

    “The genetic structure of the studied populations–explored using spatial Principal Component Analysis and Model-based clustering–turned out to be composed of four clusters, each with different geographic distribution and/or linguistic affiliation, and signaling different population events in the history of the region. One cluster is widespread in Ethiopia, where it is associated with different AA-speaking populations, and shows shared ancestry with Semitic-speaking groups from Yemen and Egypt and AA-Chadic-speaking groups from Central Africa. Two clusters included populations from Southern Ethiopia, Kenya and Tanzania. Despite high and recent gene-flow (Bantu, Nilo-Saharan pastoralists), one of them is associated with a more ancient AA-Cushitic stratum.”

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  14. “Study Says Oldest Known Human Y-Chromosome Branch Dates to 338,000 Years Ago..”

    I will summarise a few points about the above paper from an email exchange I had with a molecular biologist [considerably more knowledgeable than me]:-

    An issue is that the majority of the Y chromosome’s single-nucleotide polymorphism [SNP]-bearing region is not sequenced [unlike the case with genomic mtDNA nowadays]. This is because it is difficult to do because of the fast rate at which the Y chromosome changes. The rate at which SNP mutations occur on Y makes it questionable as a clock. Y DNA is greatly affected by changes in generation times, so that males that mature earlier but reproduce late in life could cause the rate of mutation to almost double compared to males who mature late and produce most of their offspring soon thereafter. And the overwhelming majority of Y-DNA evolution occurs by STR variation, which tends to “muddle” SNP analysis. Because most typed Y-chromosomes are not sequenced, many mutations that occurred in typed sequences are not typed and this is particularly problematic in Africa where many deep lineages appear. As a consequence, comparing a fully typed sequence with a collection of sequences that are incompletely typed or represent small regions of Africa may result in a misleading answer.

    [A few more points were also covered in the email].

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  15. @chris – “Y DNA is greatly affected by changes in generation times, so that males that mature earlier but reproduce late in life could cause the rate of mutation to almost double compared to males who mature late and produce most of their offspring soon thereafter.”

    ah ha! yes, that makes a lot of sense (i’m thinking of the arguments that greg cochran has been making lately). thanks for that! (^_^) (like i keep saying, mating patterns matter!)

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  16. Hbd Chick @ ”yes … aaaand, maybe (maaaaybe!) ….”

    I do not believe that the first defeat the second…
    Yes, the evolutionary processes can be affected by weather climate but also that the present sub-Saharan admixture with archaic populations.
    Now you miss me explain about the psychopathology of Ashkenazi … (:])

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  17. ‘“[V]iolent aggression among humans and chimps is a flexible natural propensity that tends to be stronger in males than in females, and the expression of that propensity depends on the social circumstances that determine the relative costs and benefits of violent fighting.”’

    definitely not. women commit the same levels of domestic violence towards men, and commit even higher rates of child abuse and child murder. Keep in mind that women have not been trained to go to war, protect the home, or risk their safety in order to provide.

    the different expressions of violence for men and women has more to do with opportunity than it does with propensity for violence. Clearly women are violent, even in situations that don’t call for aggression. I have the suspicion that while men create more instances of violence, consistent with the type of lives they live, men are more understanding of the consequences of war and the need for negotiation.

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  18. @gottlieb – “I do not believe that the first defeat the second…”

    no, absolutely not! i agree. just another possible factor to consider. (^_^)

    @gottlieb – “Now you miss me explain about the psychopathology of Ashkenazi … (:])”

    well, i haven’t looked (hardly) at all at the history of mating patterns of ashkenazi jews. i will at some point, but probably in the distant-ish future (i really want to look at the arabs, first!).

    do you have a link supporting your statement that psychopathology is high amongst ashkenazis, or is that your own opinion? if that’s your own opinion, that is fine, but in future, please indicate that it is. same goes for such statements that you — and the rest of ya’ll out there! — make about any other population.

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  19. @prince n – “women commit … even higher rates of child abuse and child murder.”

    wonder how much of that has to do with women spending more time with children (having them more in their care)? it would be interesting to see the numbers broken down with the time-spent-with-children factored in.

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  20. Hbd Chick @ ”well, i haven’t looked (hardly) at all at the history of mating patterns of ashkenazi jews. i will at some point, but probably in the distant-ish future (i really want to look at the arabs, first!).

    do you have a link supporting your statement that psychopathology is high amongst ashkenazis, or is that your own opinion? if that’s your own opinion, that is fine, but in future, please indicate that it is. same goes for such statements that you — and the rest of ya’ll out there! — make about any other population.”

    Found a point of disagreement here. You advise me to say something about” any” population when imbued with evidence.
    However, you already seem to have found any evidence to portray the Arab population as sick people. I sent him a link that shows that marriages between third cousins ​​is most fertile and most likely healthier than marriages between first cousins ​​as well as between persons of very distant (miscegenation).
    First, before saying that inbreeding is a problem of the Arabs you should try to understand what makes the Arabs who immigrate to Europe, are more violent than their counterparts in the Middle East. (I think) I’ve read that the levels of violence in the Arab world are as low as U.S.. Yes, much of the violence recorded in this region occurs for reasons of tribal conflicts.
    Second, you should try to understand what is going on in that region, a conflict or war, to understand, before stating that violence is a trait that has been cultivated by inbreeding.
    Third, the pattern of mating Ashkenazi even if it is in accordance with the standards northern Europeans still be a small population and strongly related. As a result, even though no Ashkenazi is marrying within the family still continue marrying within the larger family, which is your ethnicity. (Practically the same thing) The same can not be so deep in European societies because of increased phenotypic variation between them, as well as the historical events that have mixed these populations.

    I do not like the terms of pathology or illness to determine the behavior of someone or a group, but it is obvious that certain types are deviant. (Not to recite it as an insult). However, it is kind of logical, at least to me, that the Ashkenazi are not similar in behavior to most human populations and believe you have found the most important pieces of the puzzle.
    The only evidence that I can leave him available, the one that I believe is true, on the degree of sampling and cleaning politically correct (or cover-up behavior) is this link that shows the incidence of” insanity” between populations Gentile and Jewish.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8123-insanity

    Read two recent studies done by Jewish scientists, who found no evidence that would demonstrate a higher incidence of mental disorders among Jews than others.
    Of course it is invalid because it is inconsistent with reality and because, unfortunately, many scientists (notably Jews) have a tendency to cover up this kind of subject.
    I saw two other studies that found a higher incidence of mental disorders among Caucasians than in relation to other groups in the U.S.. Logically, we conclude that if the Caucasians in general tend to have a higher incidence of mental disorders”” then Ashkenazi Jews are an enhanced version of the population” weird” other Caucasians, sure, have a higher incidence in comparison with these.

    There seems to be a higher incidence of left-handers among Ashkenazi than in relation to other gentile populations. I managed to compile some links if you want, provided you leave. (Or you can search).
    It is known that left-handers are more prone to mental disorders (as well as autism and Down syndrome), it seems they are in extreme sides of intelligence, including verbal and mathematics and as an important part of the population of aspergers, which has overrepresentation of left-handed and ambidextrous and weak spatial skills.
    A small population of people who have survived amid the hostility of the gentile populations (often caused by their own actions) seems to have selected the types more paranoid and anxious for survival.
    The idea that lefties survive more in violent societies, such as the study of such Faurie et al 2004 could explain why left-handers are more common among Ashkenazi, after all, in an environment of constant friction with the local community. Because they are more predisposed to psychoses and neuroses.

    To understand the Ashkenazi, as well as understand the SSA, you should take into account that populations are Out liers in behavior, cognitive style and pattern of mating and especially the latter, since it seems that they are all cousins ​​through the third quarter degree from each other.
    If the incidence of psychopathy, combined with high iq, is more common among Caucasians, by that logic, I concluded that it is even more common among Ashkenazi, who are predominantly weird population.
    Ashkenazi are overrepresented in deviant behavior, like no other population is.
    In sub-Saharan case, a friend of mine found something very interesting. There seems to be no pattern of selection among them, why we have so much variation in behavior, because they do not select any in particular.

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  21. @gottlieb – “However, you already seem to have found any evidence to portray the Arab population as sick people.”

    no. i’ve never said that. do NOT put words into my mouth.

    the arabs have a lot of genetic disorders, of course, so in that way the population is “sick” in the sense that it is burdened with a lot of congenitive diseases. but i have not said, nor do not mean, that they are “sick” when i say that they are clannish or given to a higher degree of violence/tempermentality or apparently not able to organize a civic society — by all of that i simply mean that they are clannish.

    i do not — nor should anybody interested in human biodiversity/sociobiology — use western europeans (or any other group) as a standard by which to evaluate other peoples. different populations are different simply because they’ve had different evolutionary histories. that is all. what’s adaptive in one environment might not be adaptive in another. c’est la vie.

    @gottlieb – “If the incidence of psychopathy, combined with high iq, is more common among Caucasians, by that logic, I concluded that it is even more common among Ashkenazi, who are predominantly weird population.”

    so it is your own opinion. fine. just, please, state that in future. thanks.

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  22. Hbd chick @ ”no. i’ve never said that. do NOT put words into my mouth.

    the arabs have a lot of genetic disorders, of course, so in that way the population is “sick” in the sense that it is burdened with a lot of congenitive diseases. but i have not said, nor do not mean, that they are “sick” when i say that they are clannish or given to a higher degree of violence/tempermentality or apparently not able to organize a civic society — by all of that i simply mean that they are clannish.

    i do not — nor should anybody interested in human biodiversity/sociobiology — use western europeans (or any other group) as a standard by which to evaluate other peoples. different populations are different simply because they’ve had different evolutionary histories. that is all. what’s adaptive in one environment might not be adaptive in another. c’est la vie.”

    But you’re leaving implicitly agreeing with the words choked in his mouth.

    ” Oh, look, the Arabs are more problematic because they are inbred”

    Do not despise the geopolitical game of this region (other as well).
    I bite my tongue, but are environmental reasons that explain why these last 70 years, this region has become a powder keg.
    You have populations with low IQ, with a psychopathic personality more than the average European personality and has games of interest between various elites, including the elite hybrid Western-Jewish.
    So if they are slaughtering in Syria now, not only because they are inbred.
    I read that 96% of marriages result in inbred offspring healthy. Only 4% result in genetic problems.
    If it were true that endogamous marriages were so bad then the vast majority of Muslims today would be dysfunctional.
    It is true that outbreeding can also result in pleasing results, as with everything in life, but its downside is the domestication of the population, making it submissive and Christian too much for my taste.

    I agree that certain behavior parameters are subjective (some do not) but it always gives me the impression that you compare outbreeds Europeans, the inbreeding of the Middle East. This in my opinion, is to use as a parameter,
    ok, I’m not politically correct, it is important to compare, but you need not deny it. No comparison there is no difference, you compare yourself with, it is raining in the wet.

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  23. ”so it is your own opinion. fine. just, please, state that in future. thanks.”

    You took a substrate of my argument where I say on my own that if whites have more incidence of mental disorder (class weird) then the Ashkenazi Jews, who are predominantly of this weird group, has even greater incidence of disorders, (logically) to deconstruct it, invalidate it, that after all I’m saying. Is learning well how to behave by types of arguments as those put.
    But it could be kind enough to see the link on” insanity”, available by itself Jewish Encyclopedia.
    Please ask would be?

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  24. @gottlieb – “But you’re leaving implicitly agreeing with the words choked in his mouth.”

    what?

    @gottlieb – “‘Oh, look, the Arabs are more problematic because they are inbred‘”

    no. that’s not the argument/theory/hypothesis. try again (see the bit about a two-staged rocket).

    @gottlieb – “But it could be kind enough to see the link on ‘insanity’, available by itself Jewish Encyclopedia.”

    yes, i looked at it, thank you. those are some really old references. i’m going to need references to more current, academic studies. thanks.

    in any case, like i said earlier, i have not looked at ashkenazi jews at all yet, so i don’t have anything intelligent or informed to say about that population. i will once i’ve learned something about them. until then, i will not be cajoled or nagged or bribed** into drawing any conclusions about them. that goes for all other populations, too (notice i’ve written next to nothing about sub-saharan africans or indians, etc.).

    (**make checks or money orders payable to: hbd* chick. (~_^) )

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  25. Hbd Chick @ ”yes, i looked at it, thank you. those are some really old references. i’m going to need references to more current, academic studies. thanks.”

    I do not understand why people continue to recite Shakeaspeare or read Darwin, are sooo old?
    If you lived in the early 70s and had to search something about racial differences, or you would resort to ”old references” (”racists, eugenicists” and blablabla) or you would read some bullshit revisionist rip-pie.

    Remember that besides the diagnosis of mental disorder, we have a mixed population of people who are on the border between the standard deviation and the deviation itself.

    In accordance with current politically correct, you can say that Jews are more intelligent (but not whites), you can tell whether the Jews are virtually a race (whites have to say that races do not exist) and that anti Semitism is a kind of pathology and that Jews are normal people, extremely intelligent who do nothing wrong with the rabble but suffer unjust persecutions.
    Its main parts of both distinct intelligence from the Jews as a story of why they are so turbulent
    greater incidence of mental disorders
    caused
    by
    higher incidence of non-handed, left-handed pure particularly.

    They are very creative, very intelligent, paranoid, with megalomaniac tendencies, see the world from a completely different perspective from the rest and feel completely different from the rest.

    Hbd Chick @ ”what?”

    Sorry about that, do not want to make more enemies (real or imaginary) of those who already have. I think you already hate me because of my arrogance.

    Hbd Chick @ ”
    in any case, like i said earlier, i have not looked at ashkenazi jews at all yet, so i don’t have anything intelligent or informed to say about that population. i will once i’ve learned something about them. until then, i will not be cajoled or nagged or bribed** into drawing any conclusions about them. that goes for all other populations, too (notice i’ve written next to nothing about sub-saharan africans or indians, etc.).”

    I hope so. Well, I think that the wave of anti Semitism will sweep the planet Earth very soon, as the glaciers sweep the northern hemisphere from time to time. It’s like a phenomenon of nature, a form of balance.

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/mental-illness-and-the-jews/

    The only thing I’ve found is this here, but it’s still stupid first because it uses the historical narrative of Jews as eternal victims and then uses research because, as weird as those who try to prove that the IQ of blacks is converging for the iq of American whites.
    Do not think that with the return of studies on human biology, the fakes will gather in his den.
    Lombroso said things very valid in the late nineteenth century, even though he had not been polished in his words and also still in the dawn to understand that human behavior is not something straight and simple (for example, geniuses and criminals have more things in common with that of the normal population).

    Also it is always necessary to understand that as well as certain types of behavior that are minority among a population, surely, can be completely different in another. As a result, what is pathological is perfectly normal for one another.
    Do not know why I’m telling you, you already know that.

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  26. @gottlieb – “I do not understand why people continue to recite Shakeaspeare or read Darwin, are sooo old?”

    shakespeare is literature, so, unless you’re talking about doing some sort of linguistic research on the plays/poems, then the bard’s works are not really relevant to science.

    darwin is still read because scientists have done 150+ years of research into evolution by natural selection to verify that the Theory is correct (or falsify it). replication is a large part of doing science — confirming and reconfirming the data collected in research to make certain it is correct. where is the 100+ years of research replicating (or not) the findings of those old studies on jewish insanity?

    @gottlieb – “I think you already hate me because of my arrogance.”

    no, not at all. i just asked “what?” because i really didn’t understand (and still don’t) what you had said there.

    @gottlieb – “I hope so.”

    you can count on it.

    thanks for the link. i suppose one way to work out whether jews have higher incidences of mental illness would be to look at medical/psychological research in israel. not something i’ll be doing, but perhaps you might be interested.

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  27. Gottlieb
    “If it were true that endogamous marriages were so bad then the vast majority of Muslims today would be dysfunctional.”

    Not if they had a very high fertility rate *and* a very high mortality rate until recently – which they did. In that case you have the equivalent of this

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jul/07/ivf-baby-born-genetic-screening

    except instead of fertilisng twelve eggs and picking the two healthiest ones for implantation you have twelve kids and ten die.

    The modern version of these breeding patterns may be different from the version that existed until recently.

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  28. Hbd Chick @ ”shakespeare is literature, so, unless you’re talking about doing some sort of linguistic research on the plays/poems, then the bard’s works are not really relevant to science.”

    The comparison I made is based on the idea that all knowledge generated in the past can be determined as less important than what is being produced now. Depends, of course, there are some specific studies that are even more sacred than racial differences. I think the Machiavellian brilliance, Ashkenazi Jews occurs because of its selection of high IQ combined with high psychopathic personality. Ashkenazi Jews were smart enough to understand 2000 years before (maybe) what Galton had already suggested, the genius must be kept in the family. (a combination of recessive traits I imagine).
    I think that literature can be relevant, at least for psychology. The literature Shakeaspeare, was relevant to the conclusion that Caucasians are more creative than Asians.

    Hbd Chick @
    ”darwin is still read because scientists have done 150+ years of research into evolution by natural selection to verify that the Theory is correct (or falsify it). replication is a large part of doing science — confirming and reconfirming the data collected in research to make certain it is correct. where is the 100+ years of research replicating (or not) the findings of those old studies on jewish insanity?”

    I know how science works, but the fact that this matter has been ruled not mean you can not have some validity.
    Unlike many people in the community Hbd, which has a tendency to try to interpret things through inertia subjective, ie, without trying to put in place and in the mind of the groups surveyed (always like to quote Temple Grandin). In addition to the racial, historical issues of war, other factors such as higher incidence of mental disorders among Jews, seems to be a subject avoided or handled.
    I’m not interpreting empirical research that deny racial differences in intelligence or cognitive styles. I’m putting myself in the place of these people, seeking to follow their narratives attacks and propaganda.
    It seems that most of the geniuses of the past, present and future are strongly predisposed to madness.

    Hbd Chick @ ”no, not at all. i just asked “what?” because i really didn’t understand (and still don’t) what you had said there.”

    Ok, I know I have to learn English, but I got lazy. In my mind, few things can monopolize your metabolism and while I’m tempted to use the google translator.Sorry!!

    Hbd Chick @ ”you can count on it.

    thanks for the link. i suppose one way to work out whether jews have higher incidences of mental illness would be to look at medical/psychological research in israel. not something i’ll be doing, but perhaps you might be interested.”

    I’m a little concerned, but not much.
    There are some interesting things that I have on, on your own.
    For example, a search that has appeared in the mainstream media that says lefties have a higher predisposition to suffer from post-traumatic stress.
    I encounter this

    http://diversityischaos.blogspot.com.br/2013/08/a-new-study-led-by-tel-aviv-university.html

    May have some connection, why not?

    I intend to do this, but they are cunning, sure I’ll find studies that Ashkenazi will be played together with Jews from other regions, which may result in a decreased incidence of mental disorders.
    I do not want to say here is that bad. Like I said, it is precisely the highest incidence in Jews of them, as well as in Caucasians compared to Asians, which make them more creative and probably contributes to the individuality West, as people nearby normal limits, as well as the carriers of disorders tend to be more individualistic than normal people. The old feeling of randomness.
    The Jews and the weird class are precious to mankind. Need to be understood and controlled, which is not happening now. Their creative abilities should be exploited but should not be in government, this paper serves to really sensible and fair people.

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  29. I think a bit on the idea of the” will of God”, ie, if you notice in the wild, all species are married to each other, miscegenation is a very human thing. Only severe reasons that a species in nature mates with another distinct.
    Does Hbd Chick has news about the mating pattern of the Arabs? It seems that she has posted talking about, but I must not have paid attention.
    If the Arabs are not a lot between marrying first cousins ​​and even brothers with sisters, then your lower intelligence should not be explained only for this reason, but also by historical facts as numerous conflicts and racial mixtures. Another explanation could be that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East did not create meritocratic cultures, like European cultures, where the smartest, to earn money had more children, increasing the overall intelligence. In very hierarchical societies, differences in intelligence between classes is even greater and cognitive advantages are segregated among elites. It seems, in most of these societies, elites decreased their fertility to increase their material wealth, resulting in reduction of its small gene pool and steady deterioration, especially when kings go to marry your son to your daughter.

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  30. Greying Wanderer ,
    The second comment was for you.
    Well, I think eugenics is the next step yourself, but then serious moral dilemmas and amazingly, cognitive arise.
    If you walked to select the” best” genes would not be starting the de-humanization of humanity?
    If most creative geniuses have mental disorders so that innovation will be the ”eugenized” population and robots will not lose its originality and become something extremely mechanical and methodical?
    Should we study ways to select people with high IQ and balanced psychoticism traits, that avoids ” asiatized ” world population. (Forgive me Asians, you have the greatest iq’s, the largest brains, there is no doubt that they are the smartest, but you can not have everything in life).

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