what’s this all about?

forgive me, but i’m going to start posting (heavily) about the history of various european populations’ mating patterns, family types, and social structures all over again. i started down this road in 2011, and honestly thought i’d be done with it by now, but things always take longer than you think they will (there’s a rule for that, isn’t there?). (^_^) sorry. also, i’ve come across a bunch more info/data for several european societies, and i’m working on finding out more about the ones i know nothing about (yeah, still mainly eastern europe), so i thought i’d share.

i’m going to begin again with the irish — mostly because a lot of what was going on in pre-christian/early medieval ireland also happened in scotland (especially the highlands and the islands), and i want to set the stage for “explaining” the scots (insofar as ANYbody could possibly do that! (~_^) ) — but the irish are interesting, too, of course, especially since there are so many in the u.s., england, australia, etc. i’ll squeeze the scots-irish in here, too, since they’re so important to how american society turned out.

then i’ll swing down through england — probably won’t post too much about the english just now ’cause i’ve already covered them pretty heavily (see “mating patterns in europe series” below ↓ in left-hand column) — and head straight for the netherlands — and then on to switzerland (which is going to be very interesting!).

then … well, i dunno. haven’t thought that far ahead yet (i’m from one of those populations that doesn’t do forward planning very well (~_^) ). i feel that i still need to cover further: france, germany, the iberian peninsula, italy(!), scandinavia … and that’s just western europe. i promise, though — i WILL get off of europe asap!

why am i doing this? what’s this all about?

well, for those of you just joining us (welcome!) — there seems to be a connection between mating patterns and various societal structures like family types AND certain sets of behavioral patterns such as “clannishness” or “clannism.” the fundamental correlation seems to be that, the closer the mating patterns (e.g. the members of your society consistently marry their first cousins over an extended period of time), the more clannish your society is going to be. and vice versa. why this is, i’m not entirely sure, but it likely has something to do with the selection over time for different types of behavioral patterns (clannish vs. not, for example) due to the presence of differing societal structures, namely family types, the presence or absence of extended families or clans, etc.

certain groups in northwest europe — the english, some of the dutch, some northern french, the belgians, the germans (especially in the northern half of germany), some northern italians (not the ones in the alps), and a bit later the swiss and the scandinavians — for some screwy historical reasons all quit marrying closely in the early medieval period (some earlier than others, like the english) and because of that (i think) they became less clannish. they became so less clannish that they, in fact, became quite individualistic, which — trust me — is unusual for humans. in doing so, they set themselves up for some interesting selection pressures to act on them — see gregory clark’s A Farewell to Alms, for example.

some of the english and some of the dutch especially became very individualistic. in doing so, they also paradoxically became very universalistic in their belief systems and collectivistic in their societies. they did strange things like invent liberal democracy and the industrial revolution and modernity. they put aside clannish behaviors like nepotism and corruption — even violent behavior (esp. the fly-off-the-handle stab-the-guy-sitting-next-to-you kind).

and all because some berber-latin guy once suggested that maybe people shouldn’t oughta marry their relatives. funny how things happen sometimes!

so, that’s the plan and the reasons behind it! hold on while we take an historical tour of western european societies — it’s tuesday, it must be ireland! (~_^)

most importantly, always remember: there’s more to hbd than just iq!

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  1. most importantly, always remember: there’s more to hbd than just iq!

    Yes, much more. But without a high average IQ, nothing else will work properly, whether it’s liberal democracy and free speech, courtesy of the English and Dutch, or totalitarian Marxism and no-free-speech, courtesy of nobody-in-particular (the Catch-22 is that one can’t name the people behind one’s not-being-able-to-name-the-people-behind-etc).

    In case you’ve not seen this:

    They masqueraded as victims of the Kosovo crisis to gain entry to Britain and, once here, they began to organise. Pre-eminent among them were men from the clans based in the northern cities of Tropoja and Shkodra – areas of Albania where banditry has flourished for centuries. As ethnic Albanian communities formed in east and south-east London, the northern suburbs and Luton, these men formed a nexus of pimps, traffickers and enforcers. … According to the source, there is now a pattern of pimping on a wide scale in some ethnic Albanian communities: “If a man can afford to buy one, two or three girls, why should he work? That is the attitude among a number of people from the Shkodra and Tropoja clans. Often they will force their own girlfriends into prostitution.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-albanian-sex-slave-trade-6318766.html

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  2. @völker wanderung – “But without a high average IQ, nothing else will work properly, whether it’s liberal democracy and free speech….”

    oh, absolutely not. you need the requisite number of iq points (the more the better).

    but at the same time, i like to ask: why are the chinese so gosh d*rned corrupt when they’re so smart? or why didn’t the japanese invent liberal democracy or the industrial revolution? they’ve certainly got the iq points! (not that i think that everything westerners do/have invented are the only/best ways of doing things, but since nearly everyone in the world wants to emulate westerners, i think it would be worth everyone’s time to figure out how westerners do what they do. knowwhatimean?)

    @völker wanderung – “In case you’ve not seen this”

    oh, no, i hadn’t seen that. thanks! yeesh! just the thought of these albanian criminal types makes me shudder. =/

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  3. Re: IQ and crime:

    HBD Chick, there was a blog post of yours I read a few months ago about a very peaceful Southeast Asian tribe. So peaceful, in fact, that they abhorred even friendly competition. I tried to find the post, but I forgot the name of the tribe.

    Anyways, I doubt that their IQs are very high, seeing as how they’re forest-dwellers. I don’t think peacefulness, or personality in general, is necessarily highly correlated with IQ?

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  4. @andrew – “a very peaceful Southeast Asian tribe”

    the semai! i love the semai. (^_^)

    @andrew – “I don’t think peacefulness … is necessarily highly correlated with IQ”

    well, a lot of low-iq populations seem to be pretty violent, but i don’t think that’s the whole story, either. the trick is to try and comb out what the different factors contributing to violent behavior patterns are.

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  5. Hello HBD chick I have a off topic question for you. I was going to send this on Twitter but it turned out to be too long.

    Almost every morning my cat decides to hop into my bed and sit on my chest and touch my face with her paw in order to wake me up. She does this at almost the exact same time every day. She has a food bowl with dry food she can eat off of so I know it’s not because she’s hungry and wants breakfast. From what I have read online this is normal cat behavior. But from what I understand cats don’t do this to each other they just do it to humans.

    I think it is a little mysterious and interesting that such a specific behavior should arise in one of our companion species. I’ve never been able to find a good explanation as to why cats do this. I’m wondering if maybe when they lived with early humans waking us up offered some kind of advantage.

    I’ve seen some research on human and dog coevolution but I’ve never seen anything about cats. Since your avatar indicates that clearly you are a cat I was hoping you may know something.

    Thanks!

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  6. hbdchick
    “forgive me, but i’m going to start posting (heavily) about the history of various european populations’ mating patterns, family types, and social structures all over again”

    cool, weight of evidence ftw :)

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  7. […] tend to be White liberals – primarily those of Northwestern European ancestry. That is, the people that went down the “special evolutionary path” as described by HBD Chick. As far as I know, data on the heritability of homophobia comes from NW […]

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  8. On the subject of Scandinavia, I read (on the Internets, so it must be true) that Norwegians were so heavily into outbreeding, ie avoiding cousin marriage, that by the twentieth century most of the population are third cousins to each other. I wonder how that affects your analysis? It seems like it would be an interesting special case – close-related-ness on a national level, as it were.

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  9. @rolf – “I read (on the Internets, so it must be true)…”

    yes, if you read it on the ‘net, it’s guaranteed to be close to 100% true! (~_^)

    but it probably is pretty true that, in modern times, norwegians have largely avoided close marriages. i’m kinda guessing that going by the swedish data from the 1700s and 1800s, but i think it must have been the case for norwegians, too, given the connections between norway-sweden-denmark and the luthern church, etc., etc.

    an important question to ask though, imho, is for how long have the norwegians avoided marrying their cousins? i’m guessing (again) given the clannishness of the viking era that, like all pre-christian europeans, they married closely — and (again i’m guessing) they probably didn’t stop that until after converting to christianity — which was when? ca. 1000 a.d.? so, that’s a late start to the cessation of cousin marriage in norway (scandinavia) compared to the anglo-saxons in england or the northern french and germans on the continent. which i think probably accounts for the slight lag (couple hundred years) in things like the dropping of homicide rates in scandinavia compared to england and germany.

    however, i think that the scandinavian church and powers that be took the cousin marriage bans seriously unlike what happened in ireland (and highland scotland) where they seem to have ignored the church’s laws until very late. even the luthern church in sweden kept up the cousin marriage bans after breaking away from the roman catholic church (other protestant churches okayed cousin marriage after the break). so, what i think happened was, the scandinavians come to the outbreeding project later than the “core europeans” (english, dutch, french, germans), but not as late as other peripheral groups like the irish, italians, greeks, etc.

    none of which answers your question! i just felt like spelling all that out. (^_^) your question was…

    “that by the twentieth century most of the population are third cousins to each other. I wonder how that affects your analysis? It seems like it would be an interesting special case – close-related-ness on a national level, as it were.”

    that’s very interesting, if true! and it could very well be given that you northerners have had some small population sizes. i’m not sure how that degree of close-related-ness would affect the things i’ve been saying. haven’t quite managed to get my head around those things yet (i.e. degrees of close-related-ness)! clearly, it would make norwegians kinda like the icelanders or jews in being a sorta big extended family. maybe that’s part of the reason why socialism works so well there with you guys? ’cause you really do all feel like one big family? dunno. wildly speculating now! (^_^)

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  10. ok. i’ve decided that, after switzerland, i will look into the history of mating patterns in scandinavia! been overlooking that corner of europe for too long.

    so the itinerary will be:

    – ireland
    – scotland
    – england (whistle-stop)
    – netherlands
    – switzerland
    – scandinavia (norway, sweden, denmark, iceland << not necessarily in that order)

    (^_^)

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  11. @puzzle pirate – “I’ve seen some research on human and dog coevolution but I’ve never seen anything about cats. Since your avatar indicates that clearly you are a cat I was hoping you may know something.”

    speaking as a feline (meow!), i can tell you that you’re looking at this from the complete wrong direction. we’re not talking here about cat evolution or about human-cat coevolution, but rather human domestication.

    we cats have spent several millennia now domesticating your species (it’s taking longer than we thought — every time we think we’ve done it, your civlization collapses … some believed we lacked the programming language…) — that’s why your iqs are so high — we figured we needed a species with an average iq around half of our own in order that things would be kept up to an acceptable standard. (~_^)
    _____

    seriously, i dunno! i always had the impression that my cat — being a night creature like all cats — was just seriously fed up with the humans sleeping all night and by around 5 a.m. had lost patience with teh humans entirely! (^_^)

    i haven’t ever read/heard of any good evolutionary explanation. here’s a slightly far out one that comes to mind: could there be a connection with the time to milk the cows? i know that the cats on my grandfather’s farm always got a few squirts of milk at milking time. could there have been some coevolution for cats who wake people up in time for milking?! seems far out … but you never know!

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