who wants sharia?

pew has just released the results of their latest survey of muslims around the world (in 39 different countries).

here’s a map showing the percentage of muslims in each country that would like sharia to be the law of their land (click on map for LARGER image – should take you to the pew site):

who wants sharia - pew 2013

the iraqs, afghanis, and pakistanis all seem pretty eager for sharia — they’re all in the 75-100% range. the moroccans, too. and the palestinian territories.

this is a large report from pew, so have a look at the whole thing yourself.

here’s something else that i found particularly interesting:

honor killings permissible - pew 2013

of the countries that think that honor killing is more justified when women commit an offense than when men do — russia, albania, azerbaijan, bangladesh, pakistan, jordan, iraq, egypt, lebanon, tunisia, and the palestinian territories — a majority of them (7 out of 11) have a preference for father’s brother’s daughter’s (fbd) marriage — pakistan, jordan, iraq, egypt, lebanon, tunisia, and the palestinian territories.

i don’t know what, if any, form of cousin marriage is preferred in azerbaijan or bangladesh. paternal cousin marriage, which would include fbd marriage, is avoided in places like chechnya and (at least among some peoples in) dagestan (russia in this survey?) and albania. the difference in the responses in albania was not very great (+1 point), but the difference in russia(?) was statistically significant at +7 points. it’s difficult to know who these “russian” muslims are (maybe the info is in an appendix somewhere — i’ll have to look), so i don’t know if they’re the chechens and/or some dagestanis and/or some other group(s) — and, so, i don’t know what their mating patterns are.

i’m surprised that afghanistan breaks even. i would’ve predicted that they would be like the other fbd marriage groups.

it’s interesting that some of the central asian “stans” — kyrgyzstan and uzbekistan — swing in the opposite direction. a greater number of people feel that honor killings are more justified against men who break the rules than women. i don’t know much of anything about these populations, but i did read a bit just the other day, and it seems that they have a preference for maternal cousin marriage. (note that i don’t have a good idea what the rates might be.)

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25 Comments

  1. Oh god what the heck is going on in Jordan

    And yeah, nowadays, Azerbaijan is probably the least Islam-influenced Muslim country. Although only a couple of decades ago Turkey and the Balkan Muslims may have been even less so.

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  2. The majority of Russian Muslims are Tatars and Bashkirs, who are to a very large extent secularized. Tatars in particularly are virtually identical to Russians in vodka consumption habits, disinterest in religion, and so forth.

    Which implies that the Northern Caucasus Muslims must be *really* anti-progressive, and closer in their attitudes to Middle East Arabs than to Turks, Kazakhs, or Azeris.

    Another thing: How insane does one have to be to willingly let in millions of immigrants from countries where big majorities want you dead if you leave their religion?

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  3. @anatoly – “Which implies that the Northern Caucasus Muslims must be *really* anti-progressive, and closer in their attitudes to Middle East Arabs than to Turks, Kazakhs, or Azeris.”

    i found out which russian muslims were surveyed — muslims in all 80 oblasts with extra numbers surveyed in majority muslim oblasts. so i guess the diffs between tatars and caucasus muslims are probably compensated for in this survey (no?).

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  4. “i’m surprised that afghanistan breaks even. i would’ve predicted that they would be like the other fbd marriage groups.”

    Afghanistan has a lot of different ethnic groups – there’s one group who look a lot like lost mongols for example -so it may vary from group to group with the pashtun being very pro and some of the other groups less so leading to that average figure?

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  5. @grey – “Afghanistan has a lot of different ethnic groups … so it may vary from group to group with the pashtun being very pro and some of the other groups less so leading to that average figure?”

    hmmm, yeah. that could be right. see who they surveyed in afghanistan:

    “Sample design: Stratified area probability sample of all 34 Afghan provinces (excluding nomadic populations) proportional to population size and urban/rural population.
    Mode: Face-to-face adults 18+
    Languages: Baloch, Dari, Hazara, Pashto, Uzbek
    Fieldwork dates: Nov. 27–Dec. 17, 2011
    Representative: Nationally representative of 94% of the adult population”

    iwitbb** the pashtuns are 42% of the population while the other four groups together make up 47%. maybe the uzbeks and the tajiks (dari speakers) are, like the kyrgyz that i mentioned in the post, not fbd marriage folks either. no idea about the balochi or hazara. further research is required! (~_^)

    good thinking. thanks!
    _____

    **iwitbb – if wikipedia is to be believed.

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  6. Culturally “syncretic Islam” as is found in South Asia should be encouraged, NOT the Saudi version, which unfortunately is the one that is gaining hegemony as even some previously syncretic Muslims are Saudi-izing themselves.

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  7. CCCiara, south asians have the highest average support for Shariah law out of all the regions polled (84%)..

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  8. This is the key graph that everyone needs to see from the report.

    I doubt that you can find ANY other religion in the world where such a high percentage of adherents feel that “attacks against civilians in defense of the religion” are justifed.

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  9. Oh, this one, too. From the appendix.

    If 81% of U.S. Muslims feel that “suicide bombing is never justified”, doesn’t that mean that 19% of U.S. Muslims feel that suicide bombing IS SOMETIMES JUSTIFIED? I mean, math be islamophobist, right?

    19% of 2.5 million in the States. Even if only one in a thousand of those who felt it was sometimes justified were willing to act, then that’s about 471 more of them out there (with 1 dead and 3 arrested since late last month).

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  10. “CCCiara, south asians have the highest average support for Shariah law out of all the regions polled (84%)..”

    The ones that have been Saudiized. Read above. There’s a tipping point. Also, considering many South Asian Muslims are poor with little education, many would not understand the global implications of Sharia Law. To them it means increasing order and morality in their tiny village.

    [edit: sorry! this comment was stuck in the spam box. no idea why. wordpress has been kinda cr*ppy lately, putting real comments in the spam box and approving spammy comments. =/ — h.chick]

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  11. Sure, bring in lots of people from Morocco, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Batshitcrazystan, and so forth. What could possibly go wrong??

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  12. I’ve just started looking at the report. There’s so much. I did notice that the post-Communist countries were somewhat more secular, suggesting communism impacted their society.

    Except for the Caucasus area, which is a pretty wild place! Even the Christians there can be…different (home of Stalin, born Joseb Djugashvilli, and Lavrenty Beria, to name two prominent examples, both from Georgia).

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  13. Gazans are messed up: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4375600,00.html

    In deeply patriarchal parts of Gaza – not in all the territory – men believe they have “first rights” to wed their female cousins, even above the women’s own wishes. Parents approve the partnerships because it strengthens family bonds and ensures inheritances don’t leave the tribe.

    Repeated generations of cousin marriages complicate blood ties. It’s not clear what affect that has had on disability rates in Gaza; but Somech said a third of patients in his department are Palestinians and most have genetic diseases that were the result of close-relation marriages.

    Further worsening the situation, disabled children are often stigmatized.

    Some families hide the children, fearing they won’t be able to marry off their able-bodied children if the community knows of their less-abled siblings. And they are seen as burdens in the impoverished territory.

    Some 183,600 Gaza residents – or 10.8% of the 1.7 million Gazans – suffer some kind of disability that affects their mental health, eyesight, hearing or mobility. Some 40,800 people suffer severe disability, the Palestinian bureau of statistics reported in 2011.

    According to the bureau, two thirds of young disabled Gazans are illiterate and some 40% were never sent to school, suggesting either their parents kept them home or did not have the means to educate them – a likely scenario in the territory, where about two-thirds of the population live under the poverty line. Over 90% of the disabled are unemployed, the bureau said.

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  14. @ihtg – “Gazans are messed up”

    yeah, those amounts of genetic disorders/birth defects are par for the course for arabs. i don’t know how the numbers for the palestinians compare to, say, the saudis — but all these arabs groups have HUGE health/medical problems due to all the inbreeding. and they know it. see here, too. the arabs are spending a lot of their oil money on researching their genetic problems. that’s a good thing, imho! (it also produces a lot of data on degrees of inbreeding in the various arab populations. (~_^) )

    @ihtg – “‘In deeply patriarchal parts of Gaza – not in all the territory – men believe they have “first rights” to wed their female cousins….'”

    that’s a traditional arab thing, too — that a man has the first right to his fbd. it’s specifically the fbd, too, i believe (iirc) — not just any female cousin.

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  15. “and why the genetic engineering of eye color would be a good thing”

    As a child I always wanted deep, dark, large, languid, brown or even black eyes. They looked so exotic, mysterious and beautiful to me. I was stuck with a boring hazel mix of grey, green and gold. They do not stand out. And my eye lashes are bone straight. My eyes are not ugly, but the are plain, boring, nothing to write home about.

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