dark enlightenment roadmap

so you can know where you are when you’re surfing. (^_^) see it in all its glory here @habitable worlds.

dark enlightenment map

i once tried to add hbd bloggers onto xkcd’s map of the internet. funny to look at it now — i (instinctively?) put us up in the mountains. (rebels!) (~_^)

(note: comments do not require an email. another important map.)

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  1. I saw your Tweet about this.

    It’s indeed a fascinating effort, and one I will be checking out in detail. I do not know some of the names out there.

    A bit disappointed not to see myself out there, but not too surprised. I blog about a lot of things so I am not surprised that I resist categorization. If I was to be put on there, I think I’d be somewhat north of Taki and west of Steve Hsu.

    PS. I wonder where Robert Lindsay (the communist HBDer) would fit it!?

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  2. Is this map supposed to show an ideological spectrum, or is it simply grouping the blogs into discrete categories. That is, is the fact that Razib Khan is at the bottom of the HBD group, close to the Christian Traditionalists, supposed to indicate that he is ideologically closer to the Christian Traditionalists than, say, Steve Sailer? I suspect not, but I just want to make sure.

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  3. “another important map.”

    TIL There is a planet Lego in the Star Wars universe (or, ‘scuse me, “Star Wars galaxy“).

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  4. Interesting graphic; like AK, I blog about many other things aside from HBD so it’d be hard to categorize me as well (of course, there’s the fact that I’m lesser known among HBD’ers)…

    If I were on that map, I’d probably be between the “HBD” and “Christian Traditionalist” sections, owing to my Christian faith (though I’m not a traditionalist)…

    @Jgress: Razib Khan’s an atheist, so I’d say position on the graph doesn’t exactly matter…

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  5. These kind of maps are shadows up multi-dimensional models. So… distance sometimes matter and sometimes it doesn’t.

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  6. This is Mencius Moldberg’s profile:

    “Stubbornness and disrespect, programming languages and operating systems, obsessive epistemology and formalist propaganda, Austrian economics and contemporary verse.”

    That reads like a link between NPP and Economics or do Economists have to be employed as such?

    I understand the need for self-reflection and coordination but at the moment the diagram is rather inward-looking.

    In terms of explaining this part of the net to outsiders, a compendium of brief descriptions as above would be more useful.

    In terms of looking outwards, a diagram like a ship’s wheel could be used. Imagine a circle of circles. Each circle could be colour-coded for Biology, Political Science, Witty Commentary, Direct Action, etc. Then the spoke that comes from the wheel indicates in what ways the blogger has engaged with hegemony so for example the blogger may take credit for – conference presentations, books, fringe TV broadcasts, campaign meetings, academic subcommittees, invited comment/referenced in mainstream media etc.

    And then inside that circle would be other blogs that are important within the movement for generating discussion and sharing ideas and philosophies but have no land-based public profile as yet.

    Sorry to be landist this early in the day.

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  7. Remind me again, what is dark enlightenment? Does it have anything to do with dark matter or dark energy? The heart of darkness? Or dark, dark, dark, dark, they all go into the dark? Enlighten me somebody.

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  8. @luke – dark enlightenment!:

    The Dark Enlightenment“‘The fundamental realization of the Dark Enlightenment is that all men are not created equal, not individual men, nor the various groups and categories of men, nor are women equal to men, that these beliefs and others like them are religious beliefs….’”

    also malcolm pollack.

    (^_^)

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  9. Hey, he left out Harold Covington! Now there’s an ethno-nationalist! He seemed to like my suggestions for proper band music for the Northwest Republic. Remember, Harold was deported from Rhodesia by the Smith government for being too racist. I think I annoyed him by sending him a link to Jayman’s blog, Harold really really disliking people like Jayman.

    Also: I didn’t exhaustively study the map and didn’t notice if Jewamong you is on there. If he isn’t, he ought to be. Besides, I like his style.

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  10. Cool map, but it needs more Randall Parker.

    I recently read The Singularity is Near and noticed that Mr. Anissimov was quoted several times throughout the book. Makes me wonder: does Kurzweil follow his Twitter feed, and is he a neoreactionary yet?

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  11. every one with suggestions on who should be added to the map, make sure and leave your suggestions over @habitable worlds. the creator of the graphic did ask for suggestions! (^_^)

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  12. This whole “neo-reactionary” “dark enlightenment” thing reminds me of a bunch of teenagers in a treehouse playing Dungeons and Dragons. They use insider jargon to signal membership to the group, and they are convinced that their thoughts, words and activities are of an importance far greater than it actually is.

    Also, it’s not clear that what they advocate a political order that’s significantly different than our current one. They seem to accept the present order’s characterization of itself as an “egalitarian democracy” at face value, and because they oppose egalitarian democracy, they therefore oppose the present order. However, our current system’s characterization of itself happens to be false. It is in fact an aristocratic oligarchy, complete with a semi-rigid class system with limited upward mobility. Elections serve a ceremonial purpose, but they don’t alter the range of positions that are considered ideologically acceptable by the elite. Anybody that is electable is a pre-approved member of the political elite, and even those who lose will have other opportunities for high-ranking positions. Furthermore, many branches of the government are controlled by appointed offices, rather than elected offices. There exists no democracy, meritocracy or egalitarianism in this world. We are just as much an aristocracy as any government that you might select that existed during Antiquity or the Middle Ages. Reactionaries are tilting at windmills.

    Yes, the prevailing ideology of the present political order advocates these positions in the abstract, but it doesn’t accurately describe how the world actually works. Perhaps they just want a political order that’s must more ruthless and less apologetic about the inequalities that exist. However, one of the ways in which a system survives is by convincing its subjects that’s its far more benevolent than it actually is. Egalitarianism might just paradoxically be a tool to seek and maintain power. A social darwinist philosophy is something you’d want to keep to yourself if you were an aspiring member of the political class. It certainly wouldn’t be in your interest to convince either your competitors or subordinates of it. On the contrary, it’s in your interest to convince them that you are fair and have their best interests at heart.

    HBD might eventually be accepted, but I think liberalism is resilient enough to incorporate it and put a benevolent ideological gloss upon it. An HBD leftist could say, “Equality of either results or opportunity is impossible, but everybody is still deserving of a basic level of dignity, happiness and comfort, regardless of their potentialities as a person.” I don’t think it would be as much of a threat to the current paradigm as people here believe.

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  13. @anon666 – party pooper! (~_^)

    @anon666 – “HBD might eventually be accepted, but I think liberalism is resilient enough to incorporate it and put a benevolent ideological gloss upon it. An HBD leftist could say, Equality of either results or opportunity is impossible, but everybody is still deserving of a basic level of dignity, happiness and comfort, regardless of their potentialities as a person.'”

    i’d be cool with that. at least the discussion would be based on reality.

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  14. “It is in fact an aristocratic oligarchy…” Yup. Sometimes I just wish we had a better class of aristocratic oligarchs. The ones we have seem rather, as we Southerners used to say, common.

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  15. Sometimes I just wish we had a better class of aristocratic oligarchs. The ones we have seem rather, as we Southerners used to say, common.

    Commonern’n old dirt and if there’s any remaining doubt check out Malcolm’s most recent.

    http://malcolmpollack.com/

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  16. How the heck does Razib Khan qualify as an “ethno-nationalist”!?!?!?

    The desis over at the old Sepia Mutiny must be laughing their asses off right now.

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  17. Here’s just how ethno-nationlist our Razib Khan is;

    “over the past few years I have had the recurrent experience of being first thought of as a member of an ethno-national group (after physical inspection of my appearance) and so resulting in a barrage of questions about South Indian Hindu temples, vegetarianism and the like, and when I respond that this is inappropriate, most people have the decency to be embarrassed, but several have simply stated to me plainly that I should know what my true culture is. The implication is that my true culture is encoded in my DNA, in my blood, in my ancestry. There is where the flight from reason will always lead.”

    http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003061.html

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  18. @beemala thakur – “How the heck does Razib Khan qualify as an “ethno-nationalist”!?!?!?”

    i think you need your eyes tested. razib has got an hbd dot, not an ethno-nationalist dot. (~_^)

    anyway, there’s an updated map here, and razib’s been shifted away from the ethno-nationalists and is clearly just in the hbd camp now (whereas i’ve been moved closer to the ethno-nationalists — i’m ok with that!).

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  19. Yep. They shifted it because I left a few comments over there;

    “The Desis over at Sepia Mutiny are rolling over in their virtual graves upon reading that their brown-Bangledeshi-ex-Muslim-turned-atheist-married-2-white-Amreekan-woman brethren King Khan is an “ethno-nationalist”.

    For which ethnicity and which nation?

    Tumi pogol acche?”

    I’m a Desi ethno-nationalist.

    Well, due to circumstances I guess Pan Desi Ethno Globalist would be more accurate.

    Om Bhur Bhuva Swaha!

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  20. @beemala thakur/america’s new hinduism – “I’m a Desi ethno-nationalist.”

    well you sound like you’ve got a screw loose. which is why your comments will now be going through moderation.

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  21. hubchik
    “well you sound like you’ve got a screw loose”

    It makes sense, just needs translating.

    “The Desis over at Sepia Mutiny are rolling over in their virtual graves upon reading that their brown-Bangledeshi-ex-Muslim-turned-atheist-married-2-white-Amreekan-woman brethren King Khan is an “ethno-nationalist”.

    There’s a blog called “Sepia Mutiny” which Razib Khan writes for (or used to?). “Desi” means native Indian (or something like that).

    “Tumi pagol” means something like “are you mad?”

    “Om Bhur Bhuva Swaha!” is the first line in a Hindu (i think) prayer.

    (You may have known some or all of that already.)

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  22. @grey – “You may have known some or all of that already.”

    yes. (^_^) i know about sepia mutiny and razib’s involvement there (although i don’t know if he still writes there or not, either). i didn’t bother to translate the hindi(?) — thanks. (~_^)

    what i didn’t get — or appreciate at all — is someone venting HERE about whether or not razib is an ethno-nationalist, or how right or wrong habitable world’s map was.

    if beemala has got a problem with either one of those things, he(?) should take it up with those folks. this blog is not a place for random venting (unless done by me (~_^) ), thankuverymuch.

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  23. quite

    i thought some other readers might find it interesting as well along the lines of – what do people with dual nationality vote at home? do they vote liberal in both places or liberal in one place and ethno-nationalist (e.g. BJP) in the other.

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  24. @grey – “what do people with dual nationality vote at home? do they vote liberal in both places or liberal in one place and ethno-nationalist (e.g. BJP) in the other.”

    yes, that’s always interesting. i had a greek taxi driver recently (don’t see many of them anymore!) and — i love to talk to taxi drivers (~_^) — i got him talking about how things were back in greece. not good, obviously. he mentioned all the usual things and then brought up “too many immigrants” — which was ok in the u.s. in his opinion, but not in greece! (he’s been in the u.s. for 25+ years.) i didn’t bother arguing the point with him.

    i also thought it was funny when he was telling me about one of his nephews back in greece — he referred to him as “my brother’s son.” direct translation from the greek! (^_^)

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  25. “yes. (^_^) i know about sepia mutiny and razib’s involvement there (although i don’t know if he still writes there or not, either). i didn’t bother to translate the hindi(?) — thanks. (~_^)”

    Not Hindi.
    Tumi pogol acche is Bangla.
    Om bhur bhuvar swaha is Sanskrit.

    SM has stopped blogging over a year ago.

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  26. […] In “Visualizing Neoreaction“, the Habitable Worlds blog has an interesting post on the growing smorgasbord of ‘neoreactionary movement’ (of which the blog of yours truly would be defined as). Hat tip: HBD Chick. […]

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  27. Just passing this along anonymously.

    The proprietor of Habitable Worlds appears to have taken down the map image and deleted the blog post.

    It may have had something to do with the comment I left there. It has been sufficiently long that I can no longer recall my exact words, but it was something to the effect that:

    Eliezer Yudikowski and Less Wrong have little or nothing to do with the Dark Enlightenment and do not belong on any map of it.

    The DE, if I may use a convenient initialism, seems from my perspective an alternative-Right phenomenon, one that questions some basic assumptions we have been given about democracy, human equality, and so on.

    Mr. Yudikowski and his cheering fan club, by contrast, appear, in my readings of his page and the comments therein, to be a bunch of Marxist transhumanists who want to immanentize the Eschaton–I mean, bring about something called the capital-S Singularity, which is just like the Eschaton except that everyone will get his brain pulped and rendered down for memory and personality data, which will somehow-or-other magically converted into data to run Internet chat bots and immortal robot bodies, and suchlike things, instead of going to Heaven; questions about who will reboot the servers and replace the hard disk drives when they croak–and manufacture the replacements–who will fix the damaged cables after floods, and suchlike, are left to be answered by the alert reader. One hopes that we will be offered the choice of whether or not to stick our heads in the giant sausage grinder. I personally plan to distract them when they come for me by asking them about their latest Harry Potter or My Little Pony fanfiction… and I wish I were kidding about that last bit.

    But I digress. As such, it would be appropriate to delete Mr. Yudikowski and his followers from maps of the DE; if the DE is anything, it is the exact opposite of everything they are and everything they stand for. And if the DE, by definition, includes other alt-Right individuals and groups, which likewise invite us to commit THOUGHTCRIME by questioning the holy creed that we’re all spoonfed from birth, about democracy always being objectively superior to all other systems (how’s that working out in Gaza and Iraq?), and about all human beings and all groups of human beings being always and forever equal in every measurable way… well, it seems to me that the map should include paleoconservatives and others who are at least open to these possibilities, as well as ethno-nationalists, traditionalists, and race realists. The map therefore seems to cry out for the additions of Nicholas Strakon’s “Dispatches from the Last Ditch,” VDare.com, Stuff Black People Don’t Like, Resist.com, Steve Sailer, Ron Unz, Bob Belvedere’s “Camp of the Saints,” and links to the archived writings of the late, great Uhuru Guru of the South Africa Sucks blog, and as well the greatly esteemed and sorely missed Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, just off the top of my head.

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