“brainwash – race”

episode six of “hjernevask” (“brainwash”) entitled “race.” feat. greg cochran, charles murray, and richard lynn.


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previously: brainwash and brainwash e01: the gender equality paradox

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  1. Hey, why doesn’t anyone comment on this? It’s Brainwash! My country’s biggest contribution to Crimethink since the 19th century!

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  2. Interesting how Eia slips into labels- ‘left -wing’ and ‘right wing’, and still includes himself in the former. I guess it’s part of trying to appeal to a wider audience…he does an excellent job.

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  3. It is subtle but the faux-naïf program-maker is doing a number on them; asking about the science, then bringing up the real point: moral implications. Cochran does great, but the bit at the beginning of the dog show (where the presenter’s daughters are treated to him ridiculing men with a gut or funny hair) may well have been added after the interviews were finished. Basically they’re saying that hereditarianism is a population sink of funny old geezers, so don’t go there.

    The dominant ideals and values are those which the WEIRD world elite act ‘as if’ they believe. Myths can’t be replaced by science, they can only be replaced by other myths. What it would take for that to happen in our lifetime doesn’t bear thinking about.

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  4. “The dominant ideals and values are those which the WEIRD world elite act ‘as if’ they believe. Myths can’t be replaced by science, they can only be replaced by other myths. What it would take for that to happen in our lifetime doesn’t bear thinking about.”

    I have no idea what the weird world elite means

    the problem we have at the moment is that science and history have _already been_ replaced by myth

    I thought the film showed that there are different standpoints:
    1. race exists and validates prejudice (Lynn)
    2. race exists but doesn’t validate prejudice (Murray and Cochran)
    3. biology exists but the word race should be abandoned (the insanely good-looking one)
    4. neither race nor biology exist (the SOS charity and the lady)

    Happy Easter guapos!

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  5. @crassus – “My country’s biggest contribution to Crimethink since the 19th century!”

    yeah, it’s great stuff! can we get eia to do an all-english version, too? lampoon american academics, please? (^_^)

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  6. @sean – “Basically they’re saying that hereditarianism is a population sink of funny old geezers, so don’t go there.”

    i think you’re reading too much into that.

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  7. At Lynn’s house the ominous music and remark about going into the ‘Heart of Darkness‘ is intended to warn that, in the face of nasty reality, it is more important than ever to maintain your moral moorings. Murray is living in a fantasy world; scientific research showing that heredity is overwhelmingly important is only going to entrench the equalitarian- based ethos of the elite, and make them turn on anyone who steps out of line, – they’ll be very sanctimonious about it.

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  8. SVK
    “Interesting how Eia slips into labels- ‘left -wing’ and ‘right wing’, and still includes himself in the former. I guess it’s part of trying to appeal to a wider audience…he does an excellent job.”

    No i think he’s genuine. He has liberal brain-wiring and PC idealogy or at least the consequences of PC idealogy as it has become more and more dominant contradicts liberal wiring. That might be hard for people to believe but the more anarchic element among liberal-minded people were always going to break ranks as PC became supreme but for different reasons than conservative-minded people.

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  9. “have no idea what the weird world elite means”

    wierd is a research term, discussing the limitations of modern psychology/sociology/antrhopology. It stands for White Educated Industrialized Rich Democratic. Ie, almost all studies are done in US/UK/EU/ANZAC, which skews results. things like the marshmellow test look different if your cohort is uighars. It’s the science version of SWPL

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  10. GW
    “That might be hard for people to believe but the more anarchic element among liberal-minded people were always going to break ranks as PC became supreme ”

    As I did at his age… It’s the stultifying rigidity and lack of curiosity of PC that did it.
    Ex progressives are like ex smokers.

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  11. ‘things like the marshmellow test look different if your cohort is uighars.’

    it would look different depending which European social class group was studied too. Europeans with low ability to delay gratification drop to the bottom. at least they did under the public sector system. the new corporate economic system rewards impulse over consideration, verbalising over analysing. what gets delayed nowadays are the excuses for errors made through impulse and lack of analysis. but in a society that aims only to rake in a quick buck off the labour market, the perps are long gone by the time the errors are discovered – banks being a prime example. in fact the whole EU mess is basically the marshmallow test proved in actua, is it not?

    GW as always you nail it, I had not realised your expertise stretched from prehistoric to contemporary, have you published? I wonder if the current hegemony designed themselves on cromwell because that’s sort of what he did, promised liberation and installed tyranny. it will be even worse once the monarch and church have been disbanded in the uk, there will be no buffer left between self-interest and commerce. but americans see that differently I think – the american idea is that genes should be allowed to flourish in the marketplace? whereas i think euro-hereditarians pursue welfare as a goal and expression of heredity – am i making sense? truly i am interested in this difference between US and UK and EU reactions to the rainbow paradigm in the West, if you feel like suggesting what and why it may be.

    “research showing that heredity is overwhelmingly important is only going to entrench the equalitarian- based ethos of the elite, and make them turn on anyone who steps out of line, – they’ll be very sanctimonious about it.”

    So true and thankyou so much for the link, ( ‘what kind of plumage is this?’ ). What is needed is an educational film that combines Attenborough’s ability to make logic seem interesting, with Tarantino’s ability to engage people who think they’re too cool for facts. The Norwegian film would be dismissed by European anarchos as typical racist norwegian culture – Jeremy Hardy on the News Quiz Radio4 a few months ago (and he is an extremely funny man) said it was creepy going to Sweden at Xmas because all the houses had identical decorations and he thought, that level of uniformity was abnormal.

    So it is very very difficult to counter the current hegemony, exactly because it is relativist. those in power choose when things should be equal and when they shouldn’t – difference is equal, it’s ok to wear body covering but not a small pendant etc. And at the end of the day, 90% of the global village are not in the least bothered about heredity, it’s just the 10% who are making problems. and the only thing that explains why that might be the case is this here hypothesis – it is surely going to be the third great theory after Darwin and Dawkins when it is published. Darwin also had to publish in a society that was hostile to his ideas, but he managed it and this hypothesis could eventually overturn the hegemony of the Boasian paradigm.

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  12. Jeremy Hardy is ‘funny’ about ‘creepy’ countries and organisations (which happen to be white) and he does very well out of it.

    Murray seems somewhat surprised that the US got a black president, he shouldn’t have been: Black presidents nothing new to Hollywood.The hegemony is in hermeneutics; facts can be disposed of very easily.

    ” “I knew a very wise man so much of Sir Christopher’s sentiment, that he believed if a man were permitted to make all the ballads, he need not care who should make the laws of a nation.” Andrew Fletcher (1655- 1716)

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  13. My take is that the filmmaker knows that racial differences are real, but also knows that this is considered unpopular and even evil. His technique – I liked Sean’s “faux-naif” description – is to fire warning shots across the bow of the standard mythology, not drive nails in its coffin. (Ouch. Mixed metaphor there.) The approach seems to be be “Well, it doesn’t sound right, but they’ve got some facts, you know? And the answers of the other ones, the Best People, are sort of…evasive, actually.”

    Goethe stated that one had to ask Three Questions about any work of art. What is the artist trying to do? How well did he do it? Was it worth doing? We might wish that “Hjernevask” took a harder line, a grab-the-collar approach. But what the artist is trying to do is something different. He is trying to insert a question into the general discussion that the intellectuals try to keep from the masses. He is willing to agree with the stereotypes of how ridiculous we are in order to get the idea on the table.

    Whether that strategy is likely to be successful is another question. But it might reach an audience we won’t get to otherwise.

    I will be in Norway for 10 days this summer, visiting my son in Tromso*. He tells me his boss is a jolly anticommunist who would agree with me on many things. I am hoping to talk about this series with him in July.

    *Son #4 was born in Romania in 1987 and was adopted here in 2001. He did a stint in the USMC and makes me look like an unreconstructed liberal.

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  14. Thinking about racial issues requires self deception for people like Richard Nisbett (author of a book on the cognitive differences between Europeans east Asians) It’s stressful because he knows the truth; so he has to practice self deception which takes up mental resources – talking about race lowers NISBETT’s IQ. He is visibly upset by the subject. Lynn just answers the questions, and thereby reveals himself to be ‘stupid’.

    On average, those who do not believe in a genetic basis for individual or group differences in intelligence, are significantly more intelligent, because brainpower’s function is not discovering truths, it’s to survive and reproduce by getting on in life. That’s why western society is currently run by the people it is, and will be run by their children in the future.

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  15. @sean – “At Lynn’s house the ominous music and remark about going into the ‘Heart of Darkness‘ is intended to warn that, in the face of nasty reality, it is more important than ever to maintain your moral moorings.”

    no. harald eia is a comedian. HE’S KIDDING!!

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  16. Kate
    “I had not realised your expertise stretched from prehistoric to contemporary, have you published?”

    I don’t have any expertise :) I do dabble a lot – which may be an advantage in spotting connections (but not in nailing them down once spotted).

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    “the american idea is that genes should be allowed to flourish in the marketplace? whereas i think euro-hereditarians pursue welfare as a goal and expression of heredity – am i making sense?”

    Yes, i think in Europe “national” cohesion is more important whereas in America it’s more about meritocracy.

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    “research showing that heredity is overwhelmingly important is only going to entrench the equalitarian- based ethos of the elite, and make them turn on anyone who steps out of line”

    I think that’s true of the majority Stalinist-inclined left but it ties back to an earlier point. Ultimately HBD is the only way forward for an egalitarian. You either do a lot of irrelevant stuff while actually equalizing to the bottom with dysgenics – which is partly what is happening now. Or you try to equalize upwards with eugenics. Hence why i think the more anarchic left like Eia are starting to slip over to the dark side.

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  17. Eia uses humour, but it is ‘IRONICdetachment, distancing itself from the source of authority rather than directly confronting it. In the ’50s this attitude was widely adopted by artists and intellectuals who thereby aided its infiltration into popular culture, with the result that today it is becoming the dominant attitude, even (or perhaps especially) among the rich and privileged who can wield it as merely the latest in a long line of weapons with which to put down their ‘social inferiors’. […] If Cool is the new virtue, then the worst sin you can commit against it is to be ‘judgemental’, that is, to make disparaging value judgements” Murray and Cochran understand how the game is played. Lynn does not (or can’t be bothered to play) and that’s why Eia laughs at him.
    Greying Wanderer, re. ‘the only way forward’. That depends on what their intended destination actually is
    I wish I could believe any of our avowedly egalitarian elite have the same end in mind as you do.

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  18. Or you try to equalize upwards with eugenics. Hence why i think the more anarchic left like Eia are starting to slip over to the dark side.

    Not sure if eugenics is a bit of a fail from an equality standpoint. Gregory Cochran has theorised on the West Hunter blog that the standard deviation seem kind of like they reflect random sampling on a number of alleles of various effect – with fewer mutations of large effects, large standard deviations, with more mutations of small effect, small standard deviation (and he has theorised the former more typical of Eurasians and the latter for Africans). Feel intuitively kind of difficult to actually engineer away this variance, rather than just increase the mean (which doesn’t help an equalitarian platform).

    Re: “anarchic left” – those seem like the kind of people who would (understandably?) object most to states having a role in engineering new citizens.

    I think this kind of leftist “germline baby health improving tech will help us realise our equalitarian dreams” stuff will probably remain a relatively small factor in whether any kind of eugenic engineering technology comes into play as part of our reproductive healthcare, business and people’s desires for their own children will remain the dominant factors, but it could be significant in terms of lessening eventual opposition.

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  19. @sean – “Eia uses humour, but it is ‘IRONIC detachment, distancing itself from the source of authority rather than directly confronting it…..”

    no it’s not. have you watched the whole series or any of it at all? or are you just talking through your hat again?

    eia’s m.o. through the entire series is to first interview the social “scientists” about whatever topic the episode deals with, then to go to the real scientists to find out what they have found in their actual research, and then he goes back to directly confront the social scientists with the facts. no detachment. total direct confrontation. plus humor.

    his direct style was so successful that one of the stupid institutions featured in the series — the nordic gender institute — was apparently shut down after the series aired.

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  20. This is highly effective concern trolling. Murray and Cochran both get a fair shake.

    @Big Nose Kate and ppppp..

    I believe the W in WEIRD typically stands for Western rather than White.

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  21. I didn’t watch the gender one, but I read about the reaction to it (which included Eia being compared to Breivik). Lawrence Summers probably wishes he had used ironic detachment; in the light of his experience when trying a direct explication of gender issues.

    I’m told at scientific conferences there are disagreements about arcane matters like plant growth cycles with participants getting very angry, but I suppose such technical points could in principle be resolved by open debate by those well qualified on the biology, and eventually there would be one view being articulated which would be the view of ‘real scientists’ . (There are highly accomplished biologists who don’t agree with hereditarians about race differences; Gerald Crabtree says an African from 6000BC would be far smarter than the average European today.)

    Science can influence state policy, as it did on global warming, when everyone starts from the same premise (eg that it would be desirable to prevent global catastrophe) so everyone has the same end in mind. I don’t think a direct appeal to the science can work on race, because the liberal- left establishment starts from a different premise to hereditarians, and they have a quite different end in mind.

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  22. Sean
    “Greying Wanderer, re. ‘the only way forward’. That depends on what their intended destination actually is
    I wish I could believe any of our avowedly egalitarian elite have the same end in mind as you do.”

    Sure, i think the power elite are the opposite of egalitarian but they use the rhetoric because it works on people who are. However the reality of what the power elite want – basically a global slave-economy of retarded drone workers – is the opposite of what the genuinely egalitarian types want so as and when it becomes obvious to the more anarchic – i don’t mean anarchic idealogically i mean anarchic by nature – they will start to peel off imo.

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    Matt
    “Not sure if eugenics is a bit of a fail from an equality standpoint…Feel intuitively kind of difficult to actually engineer away this variance, rather than just increase the mean (which doesn’t help an equalitarian platform).”

    I think in most life-situations there are diminishing returns to high IQ and at the same time the very low end has a harder time in the modern world than they did when farm-laboring was the norm so i think increasing the mean would *effectively* be more egalitarian if not mathematically.

    However i think there’s much more to this than just IQ . Take the Danish example, why are they such an egalitarian society? Is it because maximal endogamy within an endogamous limit makes the group both very closely related and very *equally* related? If your political elite are 4th cousins to the majority of the population are they less likely to betray that population, be corrupt etc?

    I’m personally all about national cohesion as the prime directive and it seems to me that the Danish example may be the best way to get that but separately it is also very egalitarian which should appeal to the people who are genuinely focused on that *if* they come to accept that the foundation of it is the average relatedness.

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    “Re: “anarchic left” – those seem like the kind of people who would (understandably?) object most to states having a role in engineering new citizens.”

    Yes i meant more people who were individually the most free-thinking not necessarily anarchic idealogically (the “CNT-FAI” comment was meant as a joke).

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    “but it could be significant in terms of lessening eventual opposition.”

    Yes, deserters is basically what i’m talking about here.

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  23. “Is it because maximal endogamy within an endogamous limit”

    Should have been “maximal *exogamy* within an endogamous limit.”

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  24. Greying Wanderer, IMO Denmark being so liberal even compared to other WEIRD and long time non consagiunous countries, is related to it being the least masculine country in the world. It’s got the highest (ie most feminine) average digit ratio in the world. Digit ratio is correlated with facial breadth too; and narrow faced men are less likely to endorse testosterone-related racial attitudes. Eia is broad faced, Nisbett is narrow faced , Lynn is broad faced (relative to his short facial length: extremely so), Murray is rather broad faced, Crabtree is very narrow faced. Make of that what you will.

    Re your rejoinder begining ‘Sure..’.
    Upper middle class largely WASP- descended types would’ve been more accurate description than ‘elite’ for the people I’m talking about; Stuff White People Like is about them: ‘affluent, environmentally and socially conscious, anti-corporate white North Americans, who typically hold a degree in the liberal arts.’ I think they’re sincere, and they’re aiming at making John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ a reality.

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  25. I mistakenly commmented as anon there. Anyway GW, I’ve lost all sane track of what the power elite think they’re doing, and I suspect they have too.

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  26. -basically a global slave-economy of retarded drone workers

    -making John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ a reality.

    pathological capitalism meets pathological altruism – the perfect storm?

    Sean – re. your link to the article about Nisbett’s book – when I read the bit about known-answer questions, I really gawped because I remember that phase very well. Life would have been very dull without the frequent/constant question-based interaction with my toddlers.

    Known-answer questions have the function of uniting two/more people in the recognition of, and consensus on, something that is external to them both/all. Do you not wonder then, if asking those questions might have a developmental role in promoting brain-cell proliferation/complexification through communication?

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  27. nb. I never went as far as SWPLs. I did _not_ try and discuss the existential value of yoghurt with my toddlers in the supermarket :)

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  28. I like how he says it’s “hard to disagree” with the guy saying that he believes if differences are truly genetic,he doesn’t want to know about it,or that he would continue blaming it on culture. I also think it’s funny that he speaks of his country as “just too raycisss” for that black guy to get a job, and yet nobody in his country will even so much as speak of dog breeds being genetically different. Where are all the racists hiding at? Do you think that if you were to interview people in Africa,they would say the same thing? “I don’t want to talk about dog breeds,that may be offensive on some level tot he white people living in this country?” Can you even imagine such a statement being made by a native African in jest? The Norwegians appear to have become a satire of white people,and yet, they’re still too racist for a black man to succeed, a black man who, by the way, is probably acutely aware of the fact that his new countrymen are the opposite of what the liberals in his country say about themselves,judging by his statements.

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  29. “his direct style was so successful that one of the stupid institutions featured in the series — the nordic gender institute — was apparently shut down after the series aired.”

    I bought a six pack of beer to celebrate that one. They were utterly unable to scientifically defend their statements,because they were based on ideological feminism. The only problem is, that was just ONE feminist outpost in ONE country. There are “Nordic Gender Institutes” operating of course under different names in nearly every country on Earth,placed there by people who think exactly like the NGI who operate from within international “human rights organizations”. All the NGI was doing was teaching what their superiors in these unelected ruling bodies told them to teach. So, one down, about 87 left to go, and then maybe we can take a crack at the “human rights organizations” disseminating this unscientific and sexist propaganda in the first place.

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  30. Sean
    “Stuff White People Like is about them: ‘affluent, environmentally and socially conscious, anti-corporate white North Americans, who typically hold a degree in the liberal arts.’ I think they’re sincere, and they’re aiming at making John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ a reality.”

    I think the globalist elite are made of two strands. One part who want the usual stuff, power and wealth and a global slave-state with them in charge and a second part made up of the as you say pathological altruist “John Lennon” elite who have been helping because they think destroying the nations will result in a society like Star Trek (whereas in reality it will result in everywhere being like Syria).

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  31. Sean
    “IMO Denmark being so liberal even compared to other WEIRD and long time non consagiunous countries, is related to it being the least masculine country in the world.”

    It would be interesting to know what their attitude to violent crime was over the last few hundred years.

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  32. I followed the story about the Nordic Institute from wiki to Norden.org where there is a really comprehensive explanation of the Nordic Welfare Model. http://www.norden.org/en/about-nordic-co-operation/areas-of-co-operation/the-nordic-welfare-model

    from the site’s index – Gender appears in two categories and is firmly directed towards child-care for working women.

    Culture, interestingly appears only with Nature –

    “Cultural relics and environments are part of our collective memory. Remnants from the past shed light on ourselves and our surroundings, give us pleasure when we experience them, and contribute to finding solutions for the future. One Nordic project that seeks to bring the past to life for us is ‘The Viking Journey – a virtual adventure in the Nordic Region’s early Iron Age’. “http://www.norden.org/en/about-nordic-co-operation/areas-of-co-operation/nature-the-cultural-environment-and-outdoor-life/nature-the-cultural-environment-and-outdoor-life-in-the-nordic-region

    That’s a very different ideology from the UK. I don’t think Norway will be running TV programmes entitled ‘A Very Norwegian Wedding’ showing services from Hinduism and Orthodox Christianity.

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  33. Kate, The Nordic model is high investment; it and Nisbett are not totally wrong about high investment parenting:-

    First-borns have higher IQ scores “The findings also suggested that the trend was down to social rather than biological differences, they said. For example, men who were third born but who then lost an elder sibling in early childhood and so were raised as the second born had IQ scores close to those of “genuine” second-borns. ”

    My sister in law teaches pre school education. She went to Sweden and was astounded by the level of resources that they had. But she was also warned against visiting an district, which happens to be no longer ethnically Swedish. Denmark is the most tenderminded country in the world and their well sourced education (ie indoctrination) system has the children accept and include ‘the other’, preferentially. Britain is not that different.

    People like Nisbett are basically concerned with being judgemental; considered the ultimate in moral turpitude, but only for whites. The Nisbetts of this world are mainly concerned with morality and myth (values) not science.

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  34. “Denmark is the most tenderminded country in the world and their well sourced education (ie indoctrination) system has the children accept and include ‘the other’, preferentially. Britain is not that different.”

    Denmark is the only west European country that has managed to get an immigration-restrictionist party elected in enough numbers to be part of the government and get lots of immigration-restricting measures put in place.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12366676

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  35. Denmark had Europe’s most open immigration policiees before those measures; working class disquiet led to enough support of the Danish People’s Party for it to influence the 2001-2011 Liberal and Conservative government to restrict immigration, but the measures have since been largely reversed. Just a blip that lets the BBC and the Guardian tell you that Denmark is very xenophobic. (What country is not according to the BBC and the Guardian, and the NYT).

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  36. Sean
    “Denmark had Europe’s most open immigration policiees before those measures”

    No they didn’t. They had very strict immigration rules and very open *refugee* rules.

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    “but the measures have since been largely reversed”

    No they haven’t. As one side pushed to reduce refugees the other side pushed to increase immigrants.

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    We’ll see what happens next but it doesn’t change my point at all. Despite their lack of finger length the Danes were the only country whose democracy worked well enough to elect enough of an immigration-restrictionist party to their government to get some restrictive policies in place. Regardless of the subsequent liberal counter-attack your idea of the nordic countries is a caricature.

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  37. In a sense Denmark did not have liberal policies on immigration because those getting in were officially allowed into Denmark as asylum seekers. Still, move to another country and stay, then you are for all intents and purposes an immigrant. It was it easier to get into Denmark than any other WEIRD country; I think it is reasonable to say that, in effect, Denmark had the most liberal immigration policies in the world before 2001. Seehere.

    The Danish People’s Party were never in government; they supported a minority centre-right coalition, which was the first Danish government in several decades not to include socialists. It modified the immigration law, thereby taking the steam out the DPP . The stated aim of the laws was to merely to get the proportion of those successfully seeking asylum in Denmark down to the same percentage as in other European countries. See NYT, Economist reporting. Also see here.

    Not only was it far easier to get into Denmark, immigrants were entitled to welfare more generous than in any other country before 2001. A big NYT piece on hyper-liberal Denmark as a paradise for immigrants from 2002, here. While it’s true the electoral success of the immigration-restrictionist DPP did have the effect of reducing immigration, it was reduction from a very high level, and the Danes soon went back to their old habits: <a href="http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21570836-immigration-and-growing-inequality-are-making-nordics-less-homogeneous-ins-and&quot; Economist Feb 2nd 2013 ‘Today Denmark receives more non-European immigrants than ever’. I see Denmark as quite different from ‘ Nordic’ countries, especially Finland. Denmark is basically similar to Germany and England, it’s just more extreme.

    Forbes ,10/25/2012, ‘DENMARK has the highest total tax pressure in the world and is towering far above the European average. It also has the smallest private sector in Europe, one that supports one of the biggest public sectors. Add to that a generous entitlement system allowing unemployed and unemployable citizens an income well above that achieved by full time employees in the private sector in many European countries’.

    Denmark is rushing toward destruction because its population are naturally moral; like most north European they would rather die than victimize others. Notwithstanding the agonised clutch the pearls reaction by establishment mouthpieces to elected representatives of the Danish People’s Party having any influence, in the long run it did not signify a watershed in European states’ immigration policies, and the left was further motivated to continue racheting up the inflow of non Europeans. It was no surprise; Pim Fortuyn. was seen as targeting “the weak members of society”. I’m sure there will be several similar movements over the next 50 years as European nations are slowly but surely extinguished, but it can’t lead to anything. Nationalism can’t make a breakthrough because Europeans are just too nice.

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  38. Sean
    “In a sense Denmark did not have liberal policies on immigration because those getting in were officially allowed into Denmark as asylum seekers.”

    Right. It didn’t have liberal policies on immigration.

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    “The Danish People’s Party were never in government; they supported a minority centre-right coalition, which was the first Danish government in several decades not to include socialists. It modified the immigration law, thereby taking the steam out the DPP.”

    Dishonestly wrong. The deal with the DPP was to change those laws in exchange for the DPP supporting the rest of the coalition agenda.

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    “Nationalism can’t make a breakthrough because Europeans are just too nice.”

    Wrong. Immigration-restrictionist parties haven’t been able to make an electoral breakthrough – except in Denmark – because the media won’t tell the truth and most Europeans, like most Americans, still trust the media.

    There is some truth in what you are saying but you are ignoring GIGO. If people are fed false or incomplete information then the output will be based on that information.

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  39. The Guardian on Demark NEGER stjal bil fra 80-arig,” read one headline. “Negro stole car from 80-year-old.”

    This is the paradox of Denmark. It is in many ways very enlightened. It is home to one of the smallest gaps between rich and poor in the world. It was the first country – in 1989 – to legalise same-sex partnerships. But Denmark is also a country where an editor might casually print a word such as “Negro” without realising the offence it might cause.”

    Exept that the Danish word is not the one he uses in quotation marks and it is considered neutral. It is easy to get the wrong impression about the mindset in countries like Denmark by reading foriegn journalists.

    Read this please ; MUCH of the support for the far right in Denmark comes from the working class, which chafed the most at ultraliberal immigration policies that allowed thousands of immigrants — from Iran, Iraq and the Balkans — to enter the country in the 1970s, ’80 and ’90s. ”

    If the NYT says a country had ultraliberal, repeat ultraliberal, immigration policies you can believe it did. Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions, in the form of “registered partnerships”, in 1989. The liberalization of pornography laws happened first in Denmark – in 1969. (Even the sale of child pornography was legal). Denmark was the first WEIRD country to legalise gay sex – in 1933.

    And the NYT correctly says that the centre right parties wanted to pass that legislation in order to take the wind out the sails of the DPP, and it did. The mainstream parties can always do that.

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