rotten in rotherham

i’m still mad as h*ll about this. incensed is the word, although that doesn’t describe it by half.

and what’s really bothering me is that this scandal — the sexual abuse of underage white girls by pakistani men in rotherham, and the subsequent and presumably ongoing cover up of that abuse by politicians, the police and social services, and obviously now the media — doesn’t seem to be much of a scandal in the british media. the press over there seem more concerned with one girl who ran off with her school teacher (he’s white) than the hundreds (or potentially thousands) of abused girls who were overlooked by too many in authority whose job it was to help such girls. right now there’s something like 1250 stories about the runaway couple on google.co.uk news, whereas i count ca. 90 stories about the rotherham scandal. unbelievable.

so, here are some more details on the case, originally from the times uk [behind a paywall], but lifted from rotherham politics:

“Town where girls were betrayed — first by groomers, then by the police”

“More than 200 confidential documents seen by The Times offer damning evidence of an institutional failure to tackle an epidemic of organised sexual exploitation in Rotherham.

“Similar crime networks have flourished during the past ten years across the North and Midlands, from Bradford, Birmingham and Blackburn to Derby, Manchester and Rochdale.

“A common pattern was that the men turning the abuse of young teenage girls into a collective activity were predominantly from a small sub-section of British Pakistani society….

“As long ago as 1996, a social services investigation uncovered concerns that girls were being coerced into ‘child prostitution’ by a small group of men who regularly collected them from residential care homes. Two years later, 70 girls from the town were said to be involved.

“The findings led to a one-year, Home-Office funded research project on the ‘detection, investigation and prosecution of offenders involved in sexual exploitation in Rotherham’….

“The project’s report was never published. It included ten case studies, all of them white British girls, and found that the men linked to the majority of the girls were members of one Asian family‘. [“asian” here means south asian. – h.chick] …

“There was ‘a great deal of data concerning the activities of these men’ yet none was charged with any sex offence. The report was written ten years ago. It should have acted as a wake-up call but for the next seven years nothing changed….

“Groups of young and older men, most of Pakistani heritage but also Iraqi Kurds and Kosovans, were operating in different areas of the town, known to police and social services yet seemingly immune from prosecution….

“A few miles away in Sheffield, South Yorkshire Police launched an investigation in 2007 into a network of Iraqi men aged 20 to 45 who were targeting girls in residential care. The youngest victim was 12. Convictions, prison sentences and deportations followed. [as they should have! – h.chick] An internal police report noted: ‘The offenders were well organised. Girls were approached and groomed by the men, coming to think of them as boyfriends.

“‘Once relationships were cemented, the situation changed. The offenders used violence to control the girls, who were then trafficked around the country, forced to have sex with other Iraqi men and used as prostitutes….’

“A July 2010 independent review for Rotherham’s safeguarding children board, which was not made public, described the Operation Central offences as ‘child exploitation at the top end of seriousness….’

It was a hard-hitting report in all but one respect. Issues of ethnicity and culture remained taboo.

‘Although the alleged perpetrators are of Asian origin and the victims are white, this is the factuality of these cases alone; nothing more can be drawn from that. It is imperative that suggestions/allusions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided. These assertions are without foundation.’ In reality, ten years of case files and intelligence reports had built the most solid of foundations for such an assertion.

“Within six months, a confidential internal report from South Yorkshire Police’s intelligence bureau, Child Sexual Exploitation — A strategic Problem Profile, gave further evidence of an escalating crisis….

“As of late 2010, up to 300 children were actively being sexually exploited in the country. Because most suffered ‘multiple criminal offences’, the force was ‘in all likelihood looking at the number of offences resulting from CSE [child sexual exploitation] reaching the thousands each year’….

“On the thorny issue of ethnicity, the report’s message was stark. ‘Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield, and even more so in Rotherham where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females. Doncaster reported a similar problem with Iraqi Kurd offenders, as did Sheffield.’

“Victims were ‘almost exclusively white or black’, with ‘very few’ Asian girls identified. ‘Work should be undertaken to explore why Asian and Iraqi males are over-represented as offenders,’ the report recommended.”
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some examples of the abuse and the lack of help by the authorities:

“Police went to a house outside which a father was demanding the release of his daughter, who was inside with a group of British Pakistani adults. Officers found the girl, 14, who had been drugged, under a bed. The father and his daughter were arrested for racial harassment and assault respectively. Police left, leaving three men at the house with two more girls….

“One young girl was doused in petrol as a threat against reporting sexual offences….

“Girls in Leeds also know the main perpetrators. They start grooming girls as young as 12 and are pimping them by age 13 or 14. Rape, multiple rapes and gang rape are often part of the grooming process. They have been operating for years. People in the community are too frightened to speak out. They do not talk about them within their own cultural community….

“One girl, 15, spent days in hospital after a broken bottle was allegedly forced inside her by two young British Pakistani men in a park, causing her to bleed extensively…..

“A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams. Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men….

“A specialist project’s intelligence report for police identified 61 girls — 59 white, two Asian — linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 associates of the brothers who allegedly used girls for sex….

“[O]ne young white girl, known by social services to have been sexually abused by Asian men from the age of 12, was offered language lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by Rotherham council. The aim was ‘to engage’ her in education….”

previously: diversity über alles and sex and “the other”

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  1. “or potentially thousands”

    It’s definitely thousands. One of the reports mentioned 300 and that was currently i.e. over the previous decade it wouldn’t have been the same 300, and that was just one county.

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  2. I guess the question is whether it is OK for ANY grown men to screw young girls in the U.K.? Or is this OK for ONLY Pakistani muslim men.

    Inquiring minds would like to know.

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  3. Chronicles of the Dead Island, part N.

    The behavior of the authorities is one thing. What I’m curious about is, where are the young white boys in this community?

    Presumably these are lower-class areas. In low-income Jerusalem neighborhoods, Arabs who mess around with Jewish girls…do so at their own peril.

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  4. “Police went to a house outside which a father was demanding the release of his daughter, who was inside with a group of British Pakistani adults. Officers found the girl, 14, who had been drugged, under a bed. The father and his daughter were arrested for racial harassment and assault respectively. Police left, leaving three men at the house with two more girls….

    —————————————-

    I couldn’t read any more after this. Britain is lost.

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  5. @IHTG The cops in Britain will arrest any white boy who looks the wrong way at a Muslim.

    There was an incident in which a Sikh girl was suspected of being raped by a Muslim in Britain. A huge crowd of Sikhs gathered at the police station. There followed talks between Sikh and Pak “community leaders.”.

    White people in Britain? They just have to suck it up or get arrested. The cops are TERRIFIED of riots.

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  6. Another thing the police in Britain do a lot is slap publication bans on this type of story. So you get the initial story, then the ban. Which would account for the small number of stories. I have a subscription to The Times, just ask, I can supply the full text of any story.

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  7. And England is the most outbred country in the world.

    The question has to be asked as to whether this is the inevitable endgame for this kind of society.

    In its own way your blog is (accidentally?) the most damning case made against Western civilization.

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  8. @IHTG: good young men generally strive do whatever they are told is heroic.

    In Jerusalem, organized bands of young men going up against isolated, despised interlopers are told that they are heroes.

    In Rotherham – and the NWE place where I myself grew up – even in the beginning stages of beginning to organize, you’ll be met from all sides with messages that racism is wrong. Some young men can see through it and create their own heroic ideal, but many become compromised by doubt. While the rest find themselves up against a sly, entrenched foe, with allies in all the wrong places… including among the women who tell the young men whether they are heroes or not.

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  9. and what’s really bothering me is that this scandal — the sexual abuse of underage white girls by pakistani men in rotherham, and the subsequent and presumably ongoing cover up of that abuse by politicians, the police and social services, and obviously now the media…

    It’s worse than a “cover-up”: the authority were collaborating with the abuse. The police didn’t simply ignore it for years on end: they actively assisted the criminals to get away with it. It’s an utterly sick situation created by British liberals, with their dedication to shutting down debate with shrieks of “racism”, “bigotry”, “Islamphobia”, etc. We Brits now have liars and criminals in charge of all our institutions, including the judiciary and Crown Prosecution Service. I don’t think there will be any trials and whatever enquiries materialize will “whitewash” (ha) the situation and pretend it was about regrettable “mistakes” and “errors” “in terms of” “issues around” the handling of a “sensitive” multi-cultural situation. I.e., mass sexual abuse was going on for years and the police were arresting the victims of it, not the perpetrators.

    The Guardian still hasn’t covered the Rotherham case, but if it does, will no doubt repeat the usual line: it occurs in all “communities”, it’s a problem for “us all”, diversity and vibrancy bless our nation in so many ways, shut up or go to jail. But they’re right that it happens in lots of places. Oxford is a long way from Rotherham:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/sep/28/nine-deny-child-prostitution-charges

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  10. @ihtg – “In low-income Jerusalem neighborhoods, Arabs who mess around with Jewish girls…do so at their own peril.”

    well, you guys are still “tribal,” aren’t you? (~_^)

    seriously, north african, sephardic and, i think/guess, some eastern european jews (the hasidim, for example) have a long and pretty recent history of very close marriages, so i think the opportunity was there for some strong clannish behaviors to arise in those groups — clannish behaviors like protecting the women folk.

    (my other guess, btw — and i don’t have much good proof for any of these guesses — is that german ashkenazi jews don’t have such a long history of close mating compared to other jewish groups and, so, behave more like other outbred groups — thus progressive judaism comes from german-/english-jews and not russian or middle eastern jews. that’s my theory anyway.)

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  11. @melykin – “I couldn’t read any more after this.”

    i know. it just really makes you sick. =/ i have a hard time believing some of it, to tell you the truth.

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  12. “In its own way your blog is (accidentally?) the most damning case made against Western civilization.”

    The critical node is media control. None of this could be happening if the media told the truth.

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  13. @anne – “Another thing the police in Britain do a lot is slap publication bans on this type of story. So you get the initial story, then the ban.”

    ugh. =/

    @anne – “I have a subscription to The Times, just ask, I can supply the full text of any story.”

    thanks! (^_^) i’ll keep that in mind.

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  14. @bleach – “And England is the most outbred country in the world. The question has to be asked as to whether this is the inevitable endgame for this kind of society.”

    it certainly starts to look that way some days … logically. =/ too much outbreeding and the individuals in that outbred society just don’t seem to give a d*mn enough about their fellows (’cause they’re not really their fellows).

    but, what g.w. said: “The critical node is media control. None of this could be happening if the media told the truth.”

    you would think that even hyper-individualistic people would be appalled at what’s going on in rochdale and rotherham, etc., and would want to put a stop to it … if they knew about it.

    @bleach – “In its own way your blog is (accidentally?) the most damning case made against Western civilization.”

    not so accidentally. i have had it in the back of my mind, i.e. that too much outbreeding can be a problem — ’cause of the loss of cohesion.

    i’ve said it here and there (in comments mostly, i think), but i should spell it out more fully in a post one day: there are obviously strengths and weaknesses to both mating systems (outbreeding vs. inbreeding) — the benefits and drawbacks prolly depend on circumstances.

    with outbreeding, you can build very well functioning liberal democracies and leave your car doors unlocked at night. otoh, the system pretty quickly fails (i think) in the presence of a more inbred group. with inbreeding, you get some fantastic family cohesion and, like ihtg said above, no one is gonna mess with your women (except maybe yourselves). otoh, you get all the corruption and nepotism and vendettas.

    the winners will be the ones who leave the most genes behind at the end of the game. so far, the han chinese (somewhat inbred) seem to be in the lead. maybe a happy-medium is the best mating strategy?

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  15. @redzen – “…even in the beginning stages of beginning to organize, you’ll be met from all sides with messages that racism is wrong.”

    yeah, you see this with the edl, don’t you? a group that’s MUCH more “implicitly white” than the tea party — practically explicitly white — but even they have to toe the politically correct line wrt to immigration (they’re not opposed to immigrants being in their country, just radical islam — yeah, right!).

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  16. @candid k9 – “The police didn’t simply ignore it for years on end: they actively assisted the criminals to get away with it.”

    anybody know — are these grooming gangs also drug dealing gangs or something? i mean, the press talked about the rochdale crew having take-aways and driving taxis, but is there more to it than that? i got to wondering if the police don’t touch some of these people ’cause they’re biding their time trying to get them on something worse (if that’s possible) — break up a drug ring or something like that. -??- i know — i’m probably being overly optimistic here.

    @candid k9 – “The Guardian still hasn’t covered the Rotherham case….”

    and i wouldn’t hold my breath for that to happen! =/

    the only story i saw from the bbc was one quoting the south yorkshire police press release saying that they didn’t cover up anything:

    South Yorkshire Police deny hiding girls’ sex abuse

    presumably there was little to nothing on the television news. the rotherham politics blog indicated that there was some discussion on local bbc radio there.

    itv’s website had one short but relatively unbiased story — relatively:

    A decade’s worth of sexual exploitation “ignored” in South Yorkshire – claim

    and a local yorkshire paper printed a sort-of a threat from some yorkshire police chief who said that saying these things out loud would only make matter worse(!):

    Rotherham ‘Asian grooming’ claims put more in danger says police chief

    what an ass.

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  17. “i’m probably being overly optimistic here.”

    yes.

    the police did do something early on. what happened was the media wouldn’t report the crimes but *would* report any police or local reaction as a racial attack so whoever was in charge got their career blighted. so the ambitious ones who wanted to get promotion learned that the best way was to ignore crimes that could get the media on their back and bit by bit the ones who ignored crimes like this got promoted and those people now call the shots. it’s a process which has taken place over 40+ years.

    the pakistani grooming gangs aren’t even the worst. it’s much worse in black areas. generally the ethnic group behind the grooming gangs are very passive until they have a very large advantage in local numbers so although they’ve been in Britain 40+ years this problem didn’t start to get very bad until relatively late whereas the gang problem in black areas started within a decade or so. it was the police attempt to deal with that (and the media lying about what was happening) that started the corrupting process.

    it’s the same everywhere: Germany, Australia, America etc. if the media told the whole truth about what goes on in these areas most people wouldn’t believe it at first.

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  18. @g.w. – “if the media told the whole truth about what goes on in these areas most people wouldn’t believe it at first.”

    I’M having a hard time believing it, and i’m one of the people who KNOWS the msm is lying to me. =/

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  19. “I’M having a hard time believing it, and i’m one of the people who KNOWS the msm is lying to me”

    yeah it’s a weird psychological thing. for the average person it’s mentally hard to conceive of people who can be so evil.

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  20. “Grey: The critical node is media control. None of this could be happening if the media told the truth.”

    Exactly. The Victorian age was not like this. WWII was not like this, on either side of the divide. Media + education system, after WWII.

    Reading the history of how the media and schools changed, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that though part of this is self-deception on the part of the susceptibly outbred, Euro population, there is also the element of a deliberate imposition from (self-perceived…) outsiders, actively and aggressively hostile to it.

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  21. God, that’s awful. I wonder how the multicults’ feminist fellow travelers, who would probably see to it that any white man who asked a female coworker on a date was hanged if they had their ‘druthers, can sleep at night, knowing that this is what their happy little Coalition of the Diverse is supporting.

    Not to mention all the public officials who let this happen, or actively assisted it.

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  22. well, you guys are still “tribal,” aren’t you? (~_^)

    The Jerusalem boys in question are mainly lower class Sephardic Jews. Many of them are “shababniks” – underemployed, thuggish yeshiva dropouts. To be honest they’re only a hair’s width better than the Arab youths they occasionally gang up on.

    But back my original point: I’ve read so much at Steve Sailer’s and other places about how “degenerate” the British white lower class can be. I would have expected them to be a bit tougher about this. An entire decade, really?

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  23. @Georgia Resident

    I wonder how the multicults’ feminist fellow travelers, … can sleep at night, knowing that this is what their happy little Coalition of the Diverse is supporting.

    I don’t think they would care about something like this. Feminism wasn’t founded as a reaction to the high crime rates of patriarchial society. Feminist policies don’t cause there to be less rape in society.

    A feminist would consider them to be liberated from their boring middle class sexual mores.

    This is just the plot of Pleasantville being acted out.

    Feminists think that prostitution and promiscuity are good things:

    Camille Paglia:

    “Butterfield 8, with its call-girl heroine … impressed me forever with the persona of the prostitute, whom I continue to revere. The prostitute is not, as feminists claim, the victim of men, but rather their conqueror, an outlaw, who controls the sexual channels between nature and culture.

    Then theres the flippant ‘marriage is really just prostitution’ idea:

    EMMA GOLDMAN::

    it is merely a question of degree whether she sells herself to one man, in or out of marriage, or to many men!

    BERTRAND RUSSELL:

    the total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution.

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  24. @redzen – “…it’s hard to escape the conclusion that though part of this is self-deception on the part of the susceptibly outbred, Euro population, there is also the element of a deliberate imposition from (self-perceived…) outsiders, actively and aggressively hostile to it.”

    agreed. it’s not just a “natural” suicide (“natural” here meaning that nw europeans can’t help it ’cause of the effects of outbreeding — if the theory’s at all correct). there are individuals and groups — and sub-groups within groups (like upper vs. lower classes) — working against the west and westerners — playing off our weaknesses (or strengths depending on the circumstances!).

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  25. @ihtg – “I’ve read so much at Steve Sailer’s and other places about how ‘degenerate’ the British white lower class can be. I would have expected them to be a bit tougher about this.”

    well, if “the theory” is at all correct, then even though the lower class brits are low iq and brutish, they’re still so comparatively outbred that they don’t react like your more inbred shababniks.

    i’m not entirely convinced by this myself because i think that the northern english ought to have something of a history of being inbred (but maybe they’re still outbred enough to have been individualized to the point of not being able to pull together?). if that’s right, then i don’t know why they don’t protect their girls better, i.e. why there aren’t riots in the streets like anne above said some sikhs were on the verge of over one incident. just that they’ve been completely pussified? i dunno.

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  26. 1) pakistani enclaves aren’t violent until they get to a certain size and level of homogeneity i.e. the white people left inside the enclave are already a minority when this starts in earnest

    2) some of this involves children from all over the country being moved to children’s homes set up inside pakistani enclaves (ostensibly because housing is cheap in those areas because of the high unemployment since the textile mills were offshored)

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  27. If whites tried to stand up the way those Sikhs did they would be immediately arrested, as Anne said. I remember during the riots last year (largely black rioting, I believe) that a group of Sikh men got together to protect their temple and community. In another location a group of white men (possible associated with EDL) also got together to protect their community. In the media the Sikhs were made out to be heroes. The Whites were insulted and vilified as “chavs”, and some were arrested.

    The idea of a white “tribe” seems to be radioactive. Elites and the media are simply horrified at the idea of whites getting together as a tribe. It is considered completely unacceptable.

    By the way, The EDL has a few Hindus, blacks and Jews in it. But not enough to make them respectable, apparently.

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  28. Do the English still actually have trial by jury? If so, a large part of the answer is to build a critical mass of stealth jury nullfiers. Basically, a critical mass of the jury pool that will vote to acquit on a who…whom basis regardless of the facts or the law. When a more radical EDL retaliates and leaves a carpet of the slain, and those involved are acquitted in their trials (or juries repeated hung, which amounts normally to the same thing), then you’ll see if the system can withstand the strain.

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  29. The thing that worries me the most about things like this, especially as a person of color, is that there are only so many of these transgressions Whites will take. Between this, crime waves in suburbia as Blacks and other minorities are relocated there, the riots in London, perpetrated primarily by Blacks (mostly Jamaicans)—for which few people were punished. All of this may be building like water behind a dam, and I’m worried that at some point, it may break, and a wave-of anti non-White hostility will begin. We may be due, and the results could be ugly, as what’s beginning to take shape in Greece.

    I feel that getting the reality of HBD out there is, in the long run, a way to diffuse such future problems, because realistic solutions to our primarily demographic problems can be found. Perhaps I’m wrong, but we’ll see.

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  30. @jayman – “I feel that getting the reality of HBD out there is, in the long run, a way to diffuse such future problems….”

    i agree! i don’t like it at all that things are going to get ugly, and i fear that they most definitely are. you don’t have to consider biology or evolution to work that out — looking at the patterns in history is all that’s required.

    @jayman – “I’m worried that at some point, it may break, and a wave-of anti non-White hostility will begin.”

    i’m afraid of that, too, and would not like to see that at all. to take your example of what’s going on in greece nowadays — i think it’s perfectly ok and fair of the greeks to round up immigrants and deport them (in a civilized way, of course). but when golden dawn members go around beating up immigrants on the streets of athens — that’s not good.

    i (almost) don’t care if the majority of people out there ever understand hbd. i just want them to understand that too much diversity just doesn’t work. again, you only have to look at history to know that.

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  31. “I feel that getting the reality of HBD out there is, in the long run, a way to diffuse such future problems, because realistic solutions to our primarily demographic problems can be found. Perhaps I’m wrong, but we’ll see.”

    I think you’re spot on.

    I know that I’m out of line with the general tone of much of the HBDosphere on this, but I’m actually pretty optimistic about the future, and anticipate the dam breaking in a fairly sane fashion. I think there will be some uncivilized retribution in some places, especially Southern Europe (like Greece), but I expect that most areas with a strong NWE presence will mainly react by ceasing active treachery like Rotherham, and blocking immigration – and that will be enough. Simply enforcing the same standards upon the “Asian” networks,in Rotherham as we would to such a network of white child molesters would eviscerate their power. And if the media treated the Paki networks the way they treat pedophile networks, the Pakis would be very much on the defensive.

    Frankly, my own outrage is not at the Paks, but at the treacherous Anglo institutions. If they simply acted toward the immigrant crime networks as they did to a white child molester network, I think the problem would be completely manageable, these predators are quite vulnerable.

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  32. @Jayman,
    Well, you’re in good company. Thomas Sowell expressed the same concern a while ago. That said, I don’t know if it’s a realistic concern. We whites seem to have, as the Derb says, “lost our turbulence”.

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  33. @redzen – “I’m actually pretty optimistic about the future, and anticipate the dam breaking in a fairly sane fashion.”

    i hope you’re right. reading any history from almost anywhere, anytime doesn’t make me optimistic, but i still hope you’re right!

    @redzen – “Frankly, my own outrage is not at the Paks, but at the treacherous Anglo institutions.”

    exactly! i’m pretty p*ssed off at these pakistani men, too — i would be at anybody who abused minors — but i’m really p*ssed off at the media/politicians/social services/police. they’re the ones who have created this situation and/or are allowing it to happen. =/ heads should be rolling! (figuratively.) jobs should be lost, pensions should be lost, convictions and jail time should be handed down.

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  34. @georgia resident – “We whites seem to have, as the Derb says, ‘lost our turbulence’.”

    i keep thinking/wondering if the derb’s lack of turbulence is part of pinker’s thesis

    “The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker arguing that violence in the world, especially the western part, has declined both in the long run and in the short, and suggests explanations why this has happened.”

    …which i haven’t read yet.

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  35. “redzengenoist:

    “I feel that getting the reality of HBD out there is, in the long run, a way to diffuse such future problems, because realistic solutions to our primarily demographic problems can be found. Perhaps I’m wrong, but we’ll see.”

    I think you’re spot on.

    I know that I’m out of line with the general tone of much of the HBDosphere on this, but I’m actually pretty optimistic about the future, and anticipate the dam breaking in a fairly sane fashion.”

    In line with the info you provided me awhile back, and about our talk her about solutions and diffusing potential trouble, I have written that promised blog post:

    A Success Story?

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  36. Greying, “what is truth?” Mass media has been a device for factional advocacy since its inception. If we are going to have to depend on their honesty for the survival of our civilization then the free press idea needs to be seriously rethought.

    But I have my doubts whether the media is indeed the problem. Why then are the Japanese allowed to be xenophobic and nationalistic, do their elites have less motivation to lie for selfish ends? It seems like they have all the same modern problems as Westerners, except the essence of their nation is not under attack. Why do the Greeks and Ukrainians treat foreigners like trash while English and Swedes only fall victim to “refugees”? There is something deeper at work here. People will not just swallow any lie if it runs against their nature. The lie must at least have some superficial veneer of truth, an appeal to what the audience wants to be true.

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  37. Hers was a secure life built around the normal routines of schoolgirls … But it had one weakness … — a daily window of opportunity between the end of the school day at 4:30pm … and her parents’ return home four hours later.

    So that’s end of school to 8:30pm left alone. Practically all of the discretionary time during the weekdays. A very big window indeed.

    Here are two major liberals causes:
    1. Free and compulsory education, which back in the day was going to cure every problem of the underclass from illegitimacy to juvenile delinquency.
    2. Getting women to work full time through creating civil service jobs and imposing hiring quotas on private companies.

    So children spend half the day at a liberal run building with the word ‘school’ stenciled on it; no culture taught, no corporal punishment, no dress code, free condoms and the near future seeing free abortions.

    The other half of the day they spend wandering around the city with their friends unsupervised because they have working mothers.
    A kind of ‘R’ breeding strategy.

    So we have an experiment to see feral human children create their own natural society without outside intervention.

    catching a bus into Rotherham … with a girl from her school who had introduced her to some exciting new friends.

    Amy identified the youths who befriended her, spoke of how they introduced her to older men, cars, alcohol, cigarettes and cannabis, and of the evening when it all went horribly wrong.

    “when it all went horribly wrong.” Huh, so we’re fine up until this point?
    I’m suprized the ‘Game’ people haven’t blogged about this yet. Alphas and all.
    Their parents failed to instill a prejudice that this sort society is undesirable, underclass and should be shunned. But they really can’t because it’s merely one step beyond whats normal in mainstream society. Just teenagers out partying and drinking, they made a ton of movies about that.
    Also there is no deterrent in the fear for loss of reputation or being shunned because they’re doing underclass behavior.

    She told officers of the day that he called her “a white slag and a b****” and said that white girls were only there to be used for sex.

    Gamers would call that a ‘neg’.

    had a mark on her face … she had been punched by her main abuser.

    She spoke of the … rape … she spoke of … the churning mixture of fear and attraction that lured her back, further acts of casual, brutal sex …

    The first officer to hear her story filed a report … “this matter would be … viewed as unlawful sexual intercourse as she had gone back to him repeatedly.”

    Her parents … moved … to a new school
    […]
    After a gap of several months, mobile phone contact resumed

    The same detective constable … “the police could not stop … from meeting these men if she wished to do so”

    Police seemed incapable of grasping how a girl, once raped, could be so in her abusers thrall that she would return to them voluntarily.

    The ‘game’ blog people should be having a field day with this.

    An inbred clan would seem to be a more advanced level of social organization than complete atomization she is experiencing and could be attractive instinctually to a woman. Her family doesn’t even have the social capital to have her stay at a neighbors house after school. The nearest aunt or uncle could be hundreds of miles away.

    This might be a kind of atavism, what was normal in human societies before civilization.

    Demonic Males reading notes
    Chimpanzee battering
    As he grows to their size, he acts brutally to each female until he dominates all of them
    Eventually female meekly approaches him
    Male can force female into consortship

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  38. @sNoOOPy – “So we have an experiment to see feral human children create their own natural society without outside intervention.”

    well, that pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it? =/

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  39. “Kosovans” were involved in the abuse. Given your past posts and conflations of Balkan peoples I’m surprised you didn’t include in the blame the Serbs for this barbarism. Starting to understand why the Albanians are different and don’t get on well with Christian societies?

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  40. @anonymous – “…and conflations of Balkan peoples….”

    i’ve never confused the different balkan peoples. that was just in your (if you’re the same anonymous) fevered imagination.

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  41. None of the people commenting here understand the modern world. (I may have miised one or two). The media is controlled by Jews (via their paper money control). Jews have decided that white countries will be flooded with other races, the more barbarous the better. They think this will make themselves more secure. The legal system has sufficient Jews at the top, and there are sufficient Jewish Members of Parliament, party members, ‘educators’, etc, so that, at present, anyone protesting is at serious risk. That’s the explanation.

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    1. @rerevisionist:

      “Jews have decided that white countries will be flooded with other races, the more barbarous the better.”

      Really dude? The Jews did it all? Come on now. That nonsense doesn’t help the HBD cause, not to mention that it’s a bunch of hateful garbage.

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  42. There is IMHO a core of truth that many Jewish individuals are actively hostile to their host populations, and have acted to promote the current state of white breakdown. But what purpose does an insulting and simplistic post like the above serve, rerevisionist? A post phrased so perversely and hamfistedly.serves only to make me feel dirty for not being able to disagree with you, and will persuade not at all a person not yet introduced to the data. Learn tact from the success of your perceived enemies, you clod.

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  43. @rerevisionist – what redzen & jayman said. plus, i’m interested in ultimate explanations — why do groups, on average, behave in the various ways that they do. saying that certain groups behave in such-and-such a way, aside from maybe (or maybe not) being correct, doesn’t tell us why they behave in that way. that’s what i’m interested in.

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  44. I know, I know, we debated it here

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/more-on-albanians/

    …and because you linked in a circular fashion you thought you proved your point (when in fact you didn’t). You have some great links and make some interesting points but my goodness if you aren’t snide to a fault and unengagable in discussion and debate because you are always right (in your own mind).

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  45. @anonymous – “…you are always right (in your own mind).”

    no, i’m not always right in my own mind — nothing could be farther from the truth.

    i never confused serbians with any other group in the balkans. i didn’t bring up the serbs — you did. the post was about albanians. and i never said that all balkan populations are exactly the same.

    what i did say about the serbs, in a comment in response to one of your comments, was:

    “sure, respectable lists of accomplishments. but what they have in common with the albanians (well, the serbians anyway) is an apparent inability to form civic socities. plus they seem to have a strong desire to fight like mad with other populations in the neighborhood.”

    both of those statements are true, afaics: 1) inability to form civic socities — see here; and as for 2) “strong desire to fight like mad with other populations in the neighborhood” i give you serbian war crimes (here and here for instance). now i’m not interested in getting into some sort of debate over who was in the “right” in any of those battles — but the nature of the killings in these situations, and who was killed (i.e. other ethnic groups with whom the serbs have shared long-standing animosities), fits the profile of how balkan peoples behave towards “the others” in the region.

    i absolutely do NOT think that serbians are EXACTLY like albanians or kosovans. if i had thought that, i would’ve said so. what i said, and what i think, is that serbians share some behavioral traits with albanians (and other balkan populations). but definitely NOT that they are identical to albanians.

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  46. By your logic, how should we regard the Germanic peoples who persistently invaded the Balkans? As for example in the period 1941-1945 whence they implemented barbaric punitive measures that would wipe out entire villages? Are you familiar with this thing called World War 2 and a German general named Bohme? The fact base clearly demonstrates through military measures, terrorist actions, and implementation of the holocaust the Germans shed more blood on that southern penninsula than all the Balkans peoples put together over the course of 500 years. Please explain to us if the Germans are more or less prone to a “strong desire to fight like mad with other populations in the neighborhood” just south of them? How does that play into the tired old canard of “balkanization”? Is it really as simple as clannish Balkan tribes or is there more to it?

    You are completely missing the point I made as regards forming civic societies (and fighting) – that in the periphery of Europe where peoples are exposed to imperial meddling inter-civilizational clashes, e.g., German and Ottoman imperialism and Vatican and Sunni religious meddling in the Balkans. What was Bishop Strossmayer if not the very emodiment of both these things in the Balkans??

    You were indeed insisting the Serbs are like Albanians. Are there some clannish behaviors that the Serbs and others share with the Albanians – yes, a few. But by the mere fact that you refer to “Kosovans” suggests you fail to understand the ethnic make up of the place much less which attributes should be ascribable to whom.

    OK, I’m on to read your whole new post. But eagerly await a response to my question – ideally in clear language unobscured by a list of links that lead no where.

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  47. @anonymous – “But by the mere fact that you refer to ‘Kosovans’ suggests you fail to understand the ethnic make up of the place much less which attributes should be ascribable to whom.”

    the term “kosovans” is in the original article from the times. not my word. please, take note of the punctuation — in this case the quotation marks.

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  48. “Police went to a house outside which a father was demanding the release of his daughter, who was inside with a group of British Pakistani adults. Officers found the girl, 14, who had been drugged, under a bed. The father and his daughter were arrested for racial harassment and assault respectively. Police left, leaving three men at the house with two more girls….”

    I do not recall this disgusting fact being repeated in the mainstream press, even when the Rotherham case was reported (I have not regularly read the Times since it went behind a paywall). A Google search finds the story on several blogs, but no newspapers.

    The reason seems to be that everyone from politicians to police to journalists is terrified of an anti-Muslim backlash. That attitude would be acceptable if these authorities were quietly dealing with the underlying problems, but they are not. The British census returns for 2001 and 2011 show a 70% increase in the Muslim population over the decade – which amounts to a tripling every 20 years. Most of the increase is from immigration. The government finds this information so embarrassing that it proposes to abolish the census.

    Britain is sleepwalking into a civil war, and quite unnecessarily. Our Muslim population is still low. If our economy needs more immigrants, we should invite them from countries whose people are better socialised.

    The level of compulsory political correctness in Britain makes me wonder whether this comment breaks any laws. I believe that I am on the correct side of the law – but that this comment would cost me my job if I worked anywhere in the public sector.

    Which leads me to the conclusion that @melykin reached straight away: “Britain is lost.” It breaks my heart.

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