diversity über alles

*update below*

and to h*ll with the kids (apparently).

from the times uk via rotherham politics:

“Confidential papers show a decade of abuse in South Yorkshire”

“Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

“They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

“A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was ‘the biggest child protection scandal of our time’.

“The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

“We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.

“The internal police and social service correspondence, research papers, intelligence reports and case files are a detailed history of alleged child sexual exploitation in South Yorkshire since 2000, focusing on Rotherham. They include a confidential 2010 report by the police intelligence bureaus warning that thousands of such crimes were committed in the country each year.

“It contains explosive details about the men responsible for the most serious, co-ordinated abuse. ‘Possibly the most shocking threat is the existence of substantial and organised offender networks that groom and exploit victims on a worrying scale,’ the report says. ‘Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield and even more so in Rotherham, where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females.’ Such groups are said to have trafficked South Yorkshire child victims ‘to many other cities, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover’.

Another confidential 2000 report, for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, noted that such crimes had ‘cultural characteristics … which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity’.

It said: ‘There are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships. Great care will be taken in drafting … this report to ensure that its findings embrace Rotherham’s qualities of diversity. It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided.'”

i think i’m going to be sick.
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update 09/25: a detail from the story of one of the abused girls, “amy” — who was 13 at the time:

“In one incident, an older, married cousin of her main abuser, annoyed after she laughed at a joke about his weight, dragged her across the grass in a park and shoved a tree branch inside her.”

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  1. They finally put some of the paki pedophiles in jail. One guy kept yelling that it was all a racist conspiracy as he was lead away after sentencing. Some of them really think they haven’t done anything wrong. They think western girls are fair game since they are out by themselves and uncovered.

    Isn’t multiculturalism grand?

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  2. “Locally sensitive in terms of diversity”

    WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

    It means Guardian-readers and their dupes are at work. “In terms of” is a key metric of the proctoglossic community. See also community, key metric, issues around, engagement with, diversity, vibrancy, anti-racist, anti-fascist, etc, etc.

    The Guardian and other British liberals, like liberals all around the world, say they are deeply concerned in terms of issues around promoting women’s rights and child welfare, ending injustice and inequality, etc. In order to promote women’s rights and child welfare and end injustice and inequality, they created the “policies” that have resulted in cases like this. I.e., they’re perfect examples of Orwellian inversion in action: the Ministry of Love presided over torture; feminist liberals preside over mass sexual abuse. Those ultimately responsible cannot be named, but HBD may unmask their fascinating psychology sooner or later.

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  3. @melykin – “I can’t stand reading this stuff. It is too upsetting.”

    i know. =/ i really was nauseous when i read this earlier — no joke.

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  4. @melykin – “Some of them really think they haven’t done anything wrong.”

    you know, these men abusing these girls are bad — really bad — but the authorities who turned a blind eye to this for AT LEAST 10 YEARS(!!) are in many ways worse.

    not that i’m letting these pakistanis off the hook — like you say, it seems that many of them feel they have done no wrong (and with attitudes like that, they simply do not belong in a western nation) — but these “child protection” people — and the police!! you know, they should be tried for being accomplices! straight to jail — do not pass go, do not collect your pension upon retirement.

    what is WRONG with these people?!

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  5. @melykin – “They finally put some of the paki pedophiles in jail.”

    forgive me a sec for being picky, but it’s my thinking (and it has been for a while) that we should be careful about when we use the word “pedophile.” a pedophile is someone who preys on pre-pubescent kids (eg. too many roman catholic priests). these pakistani men, while they were targeting minors — which, of course, is wrong and should be illegal — were after post-pubescent girls. at least it sounds as though they were — for the most part anyway (some of the 12/13 year-old girls might’ve been borderline cases).

    the reason i think we should be careful about what we call these jerks is so that we’re clear in our heads about their motivations. these men are not “off” in being sexually attracted to small children. that’s (probably) some sort of aberrant, exaggerated version of being attracted to youthful — and, therefore, fertile — individuals. if you want to track down actual pedophiles, you might want to keep an eye out for strangers hanging around primary schools.

    these men in rotherham — and their ilk — they’re going to be found hanging around high schools and shopping malls (or wherever the heck it is teenagers these days hang out). and the fact that they’re attracted to young, but sexually mature, girls is not at all strange, so they’re not “sick” in that way.

    nevertheless, these girls are minors — and many of these cases sound downright abusive — so THROW THE BOOK AT THEM i say! and then, throw them out of the country (i don’t care if they are british citizens).

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  6. @hbd chick “i think i’m going to be sick.” Yeah. My keyboard is all sticky, too. So how come this isn’t all over Huffpost? Or the headlines of every paper in the country? This is a LOT worse than losing an ambassador, however tragic; he knew what he was getting into when he took the job. This is ruining the lives of helpless little children. And don’t tell me this is their culture. They are abusing little English girls. That can’t be part of their culture.

    Sorry. Gotta go get sick again.

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  7. @linton – “So how come this isn’t all over Huffpost? Or the headlines of every paper in the country?”

    well, don’t hold your breath. =/

    @linton – “This is a LOT worse than losing an ambassador, however tragic; he knew what he was getting into when he took the job.”

    exactly.

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  8. @HBD Chick:

    “but it’s my thinking (and it has been for a while) that we should be careful about when we use the word “pedophile.” a pedophile is someone who preys on pre-pubescent kids (eg. too many roman catholic priests). these pakistani men, while they were targeting minors — which, of course, is wrong and should be illegal — were after post-pubescent girls.

    these men in rotherham — and their ilk — they’re going to be found hanging around high schools and shopping malls (or wherever the heck it is teenagers these days hang out). and the fact that they’re attracted to young, but sexually mature, girls is not at all strange, so they’re not “sick” in that way.”

    I agree. Oddly enough, this is an expression of life outside the Hajnal line. The concept of adulthood coming late in life was really a “core” Western European invention (as well, in the past, people likely also physically matured later thanks to poorer nutrition). Elsewhere, you were an adult once you hit puberty—particularly in Muslim countries, at least up until recently. So from the Pakistanis’ p.o.v., they are doing nothing wrong. Of course, intelligent policy makers, having this knowledge in mind, would understand that such people aren’t really fit to be in a Western country, if that’s the case.

    I was recently discussing a case that is in many ways the flip side of this:

    Teacher, 23, jailed after having sex with two of her students and plying them with drugs and alcohol

    Considering as well that the teacher is only 23 (barely an adult herself), this is an example of a mismatch between physical adulthood and legal adulthood. It’s even more interesting, as I remarked before, that she looks Scot and has a nice Scottish Borderlands name (Rutherford), hence descends from a people that don’t exactly have the late-marriage—hence late adulthood—custom (and still quite don’t, at least here in the States), hence some of this is to be expected, even if we don’t exactly know quite how to deal with it properly.

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    1. @ Jayman “So from the Pakistanis’ p.o.v., they are doing nothing wrong” I like your style. I like your sentament. But you’re a better man than I am Gunga Din. There is a voice in me somewhere that says, “They were targeting English girls, not their own. This is not lust. This is hate.” I sure hope your opinion is true and prevails.

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  9. @Linton Herbert:

    “‘So from the Pakistanis’ p.o.v., they are doing nothing wrong’ I like your style. I like your sentament. But you’re a better man than I am Gunga Din. There is a voice in me somewhere that says, “They were targeting English girls, not their own. This is not lust. This is hate.'”

    That doesn’t mean it’s good. It’s more along the lines of exploitation. A general theme with Muslims (and other inbred/tightly sexually regulated groups) is that non-group women are fair game. Indeed, this is true of many, if not all, peoples—they view women from outside the group as more open to exploitation. It’s great from a natural selection point of view: you get to insert your genes into a rival group’s gene pool.

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    1. @ JayMan “It’s great from a natural selection point of view: you get to insert your genes into a rival group’s gene pool.” And that, if the biology is as I understand it, depresses their fertility. You can bump one of their men on the head and they lose one man. Or you can make one of their women pregnant and depress the fertility of her child, say drop it from five to three. That’s as good for your group as bumping two men on the head. And those three still have reduced fertility. Nature is not nice.

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  10. @jayman – “A general theme with Muslims (and other inbred/tightly sexually regulated groups) is that non-group women are fair game. Indeed, this is true of many, if not all, peoples—they view women from outside the group as more open to exploitation.”

    it’s not just unrelated women, but entire moral systems of very inbred groups simply dismiss or ignore those not in the group. kevin macdonald has written some great stuff on gypsies (don’t have a link at hand) and how they, of course, don’t feel it’s wrong in any way to steal from non-gypsies. we just don’t count in their moral system.

    i think this is an underlying theme with most inbred groups to some degree or another (presumbably depending partly upon how inbred they are) — what is moral is really a question of “who? whom?” exploiting women from outside the group is just one example of this.

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  11. @linton – “And that, if the biology is as I understand it, depresses their fertility.”

    and you potentially block someone from being able to mate with one of their women for 9+ months if you manage to impregnate her and she carries the baby to term. AND now she’s got a kid that’s half related to some outside group! disaster.

    @linton – “Nature is not nice.”

    no, nature is not nice. =/ it’s d*mned interesting! but it’s not nice.

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  12. @HBD Chick:

    “kevin macdonald has written some great stuff on gypsies (don’t have a link at hand) and how they, of course, don’t feel it’s wrong in any way to steal from non-gypsies. we just don’t count in their moral system.”

    Yes, which is probably why other groups don’t seem to like having Gypsies around.

    Interestingly, my gf is a fan of TLC’s My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding (and many of the other TLC shows, if at least for the anthropological aspect). One episode featured 1st cousins getting married (MBD). Throughout the series it’s mentioned that while there are strict rules with Gypsy teens associating with each other, the young Gypsy men stated that among the guys, the “gorger” women were fair game…

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  13. @linton – “‘They were targeting English girls, not their own. This is not lust. This is hate.'”

    well, it certainly feels like hate to us — and that’s a natural reaction, i think — probably one we’ve evolved to have. (~_^) i certainly had a visceral reaction to the story — and a good portion of my reaction was to the INaction of the authorities. i get the feeling more and more that, while some foreign groups might hate westerners, the powers that be REALLY hate us! =/

    i think it’s essential, though, to try to set aside our feelings as much as possible in order to try to understand these behaviors — all human behaviors. explanations like “this is islam!” just won’t fly, and won’t help us solve any of these problems. while religions can certainly affect how people behave, they are first and foremost an expression of a people’s nature (that’s why there are so many different versions of christianity, islam, etc., etc.). we need to understand the nature of humans, and specific groups of humans, if we’re going to deal with problems related to human behaviors.

    the obvious solution to me is that very inbred groups should just not be allowed to immigrate to the west in such high numbers. that’s just asking for trouble — and now we’ve got it.

    another thing specific to this case that these men probably didn’t have access to most pakistani (“their own”) girls, even in modern england. pakistani parents keep their daughters away from these men — we should, too. that’s only a temporary solution, though, because that’s not how westerners — englishmen — ought to be living their lives in the long-term. in fear.

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    1. @hbd chick “i get the feeling more and more that, while some foreign groups might hate westerners, the powers that be REALLY hate us! =/ ” Wow. I was just thinking something like, “It’s not all Muslims. They’ve just been hijacked by people who intimidate them, hold power over them and claim to speak for them and hate us. How can you blame them? We too have beeh hijacked, intimidated and misrepresented by people who hate us.” But your post is better.

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  14. “but these “child protection” people — and the police!! you know, they should be tried for being accomplices! straight to jail — do not pass go, do not collect your pension upon retirement.”

    Someone needs to impose a little ‘diversity’ on these white liberals. Best thing is, since it would be white on white, they can’t say it’s racist.

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  15. from the update: “‘In one incident, an older, married cousin of her main abuser, annoyed after she laughed at a joke about his weight, dragged her across the grass in a park and shoved a tree branch inside her.'”

    these guys are lucky i’m not the one in charge of their punishment.

    (the maddening part is that they haven’t, as far as i know, been charged with anything at all!)

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    1. @hbdchick “(the maddening part is that they haven’t, as far as i know, been charged with anything at all!)” You know. I wish you were running for president.

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  16. “you know, these men abusing these girls are bad — really bad — but the authorities who turned a blind eye to this for AT LEAST 10 YEARS(!!) are in many ways worse.”

    They are worse. If the media and politicians hadn’t covered this up it would never have got so bad. Each of these individual gangs might be responsible for c50 victims but the people who covered it up are responsible for thousands – especially the media.

    The critical point here is not just the media cover-up itself, it’s the fact that even if people outside the areas where it is happening are told the truth they *will not believe it* because they can’t believe the media would lie about something so terrible on so huge a scale.

    .
    “and the fact that they’re attracted to young, but sexually mature, girls is not at all strange, so they’re not “sick” in that way.”

    Young girls are targetted because they’re young and therefore easier to bully, trick, frighten, decieve, terrorize, get hooked on drugs etc.

    20 years ago they targetted adult girls (late teens, early 20s) but as this activity became more widely known the number of girls in that age range who’d initially trust them enough to get hooked in gradually declined. So over the years the average age dropped and the level of vulnerability increased to compensate for the drop in supply among non-retarded older girls hence ending up with most of the victims now in their very early teens from social care homes. I think the only reason the cover-up has partially crumbled – with massive resistance from some media and political quarters – is because the average age kept going down from 19 to 17 to 15 to 13. Some of the people covering it up could see it eventually going to 11 or 9 – which it would have if neccessary – and their conscience finally snapped.

    As you say, gypsies (on average) are similar. It’s the gap between in-group and out-group morality. (Almost) everyone has some version of that gap but with some groups the gap is much bigger than others to the point where they see the out-group as having zero moral weight and nothing you do to them counts.

    (It’s similar to serial killers specifically targetting prostitutes or rich men behaving differently with women from their social class than to those from outside.)

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  17. The fact that the girls mostly came from a low social class may have made it easier for the elites to ignore what was happening. The working class white people in the UK seem to suffer the most from the diversity. They can’t afford to move far away from the immigrants, for one thing. They are always being denigrated as “chavs” or racists in the media if they dare to complain about their towns being taken over by foreigners from the 7th century.

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  18. @melykin – “The fact that the girls mostly came from a low social class may have made it easier for the elites to ignore what was happening.”

    yeah, absolutely. =/

    sometimes i even wonder if this is part of “the plan” (if there is a plan) … to scr*w over working class whites.

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  19. @g.w. – “Each of these individual gangs might be responsible for c50 victims but the people who covered it up are responsible for thousands – especially the media.”

    ugh. =/

    @g.w. – “…even if people outside the areas where it is happening are told the truth they *will not believe it* because they can’t believe the media would lie about something so terrible on so huge a scale.”

    yes, i’ve encountered that disbelief many times. i’m pretty sure that half of my family think i’m crazy when i tell them about stuff that i’ve read online (like the knoxville horror killings — no one would believe me until i sent them links to stories from the press — there was a little coverage).

    @g.w. – “20 years ago they targetted adult girls (late teens, early 20s) but as this activity became more widely known the number of girls in that age range who’d initially trust them enough to get hooked in gradually declined. So over the years the average age dropped….”

    oooooohhhh. =/

    @g.w. – “Some of the people covering it up could see it eventually going to 11 or 9 – which it would have if neccessary – and their conscience finally snapped.”

    i saw in one of the rotherham stories that one girl was aged 10. just makes me sick.

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  20. “no one would believe me until i sent them links to stories from the press”

    Yes. It’s incredible really, like a gulag system but in plain sight in the middle of cities. Horrific things can be happening every day but as long as the media refuse to report it people living only a mile or so outside the areas concerned will never believe it because they can’t believe the media would tell such a big lie. As long as the media is prepared to put down a smokescreen you don’t need to put people in camps any more. You can slowly destroy them where they live.

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    1. @ Greying Wanderer “The Big Lie. Exactly. Open-air genocide.” I have a quibble. It’s not a contradiction, just a bit of an issue, half mad if you like. In the 1950’s the Supreme court introduced a concept by fiat: “seperate but equal is unconsitutional.” It was so well sold that I doubt anybody today would contradict it. It was supposed to benefit African Americans, who were on average less well off than whites. What has happened is that the gap is increased and Blacks are now the most incarerated population on the planet. Nobody seriously suggests there was a mistake, so evidently the real purpose was not what was sold. It was to create a national society. Think Nazi. Similarly “women’s rights” was sold as benefiting women. So we must now say “she” or “he or she” when we used to say “he.” Swell, but we have seen what is actually happening to women. Nobody suggests there was a mistake, so the real purpose must have been served, which seems to have been to break up and destroy the most vulnerable populations in rich countries and render the others more vulnerable. And finally there is the demographic issue. The science is quite clear that good fertility requires marrying say third or fourth cousin. Yet nobody has suggested we ought to do that. Better just die out. (I’m leaving out Gay rights and what happened to our ambassador to Libya.)

      There does seem to be a pattern, and the most important element is of course the demographic one. That is what I have made the work of the twilight of my life.

      So here is the question. Why haven’t they shut me up? I am free to try to reach the mighty of the earth, to gather data, to try to get scienfic papers published. If there is really a purpose, an intention, behind the pattern I am truly dangerous to it. But my days proceed in utter tranquility. So I continue to be a bit of a rat skeptic, but I sure smell rat droppings everywhere.

      By the way, if I come to a sticky end be afraid, be very afraid.

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  21. “Open-air genocide”

    “There does seem to be a pattern”

    It doesn’t have to be intentional. It might be but it’s not neccessary. The result of what they’ve done is genocide whether it’s intentional or not and the root of what they’ve done is to simply combine moral egalitarianism (which i’m mostly in favor of) with a belief in the idealogy of the blank slate (which is completely wrong) and anti-nationalism* (which good or bad completely goes against human nature).

    (*nationalism here meaning tribalism, regionalism, familialism as well)

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    1. @Greying Wanderer “It doesn’t have to be intentional.” I’m with you all the way on that. Maybe, maybe not. You could call egalitarianism-blank slate-anti nation-tribe-region-family ism a “regime.” Of course all regimes collapse, often gracelessly, and with rare exceptions because of demographic collapse. (humble opinion, but I’ve got data) Hope for nice things.

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