boilerplate 2.0

note that on this blog, unless i specifically state otherwise (or forget to specifically state otherwise), i am usually talking about the average traits (including behaviors) of groups of organisms — most often humans but sometimes carrots, too.

obviously, not all individual members of a group possess the average traits of the group. everybody’s different. some are even exceptions that prove whatever rule we happen to be talking about.

another way of thinking about this: are all people equal? no.

another question entirely: should all people be treated equally (esp. in terms of the law)? yes, of course.

if you’re someone who doesn’t like politically incorrect discussions, then this probably isn’t the blog for you, but you are most welcome anyway. please, everyone, try to keep the discussion a civil one.

previously: boilerplate

(note: comments do not require an email. no, not boilermaker. boilerplate.)

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8 Comments

  1. Funny you should mention that. People are clearly not equal in any manner other than in value to a capital-C Creator.
    Appeal to a nonrational or religious value is also the only real argument for why people should be treated equally before the law as well.

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  2. @jehu – yeah, absolutely. that people should be treated equally before the law is just my opinion. i have no good reason on which to base that opinion, except for some emotional drives that i’m stuck with (some evolutionary baggage) and the fact that i don’t want to live in anarchy.

    just clarifying my stance for folks out there on the innerwebs. (^_^)

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  3. I can see why you are posting this reminder, but I thought you did quite well defending yourself in that long thread over at Blogginheads. Sure, they were ganging up on you and calling you names, but you kept your cool and addressed their concerns with data and argument.

    Just remember, your real audience is invisible — the people who are following the thread, and they include, may include, some influential and important people. You never know.

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  4. @luke – “I can see why you are posting this reminder….”

    am i that transparent? (*^_^*)

    i also wrote this up ’cause i just want to have a boilerplate or two that i can append to my posts — so i don’t have to write the same caveats over and over again.

    (i need to get back to that thread ’cause there are prolly more comments that i’d like to respond to. but it’s just been such a crazy, busy week for me. autumn is typically a busy time for me. looking foward to having more spare time next month!)

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  5. Wow, that Bloggingheads thread was quite…extensive. I typically don’t spend much time reading those threads because the ratio between insightful commentary and posts is rather low and this can be seen in many of the responses you got there. Personally, my favorite comment from that thread came from testostyrannical:

    And I’m a little embarrassed that of all things we might have talked about on a Bloggingheads episode with the legendary Peter Singer, this subject managed to draw the most attention.

    Much of what Singer says can be interesting, but his belief in a universal moral realism whose principles can be uncovered through reason is a bit laughable in my opinion.

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  6. @r.a. – “I typically don’t spend much time reading those threads because the ratio between insightful commentary and posts is rather low….”

    yeah, i learned THAT pretty quickly last week. (~_^)

    never really spent any time @bloggingheads. i think the one and only vid i ever watched over there (before this one) was razib talking to greg cochran a couple of years ago. will prolly be a few years before i bother checking the site out again. (^_^)

    @r.a. – “…a universal moral realism whose principles can be uncovered through reason is a bit laughable in my opinion.”

    exactly! morality through reason. uh, no … don’t think that’s how it works (unfortunately … maybe).

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  7. hbdchick,
    Most people throughout most of history didn’t have any huge issue with treating groups of people in an unequal fashion, and they didn’t suffer from anarchy most of the time either. So more is required to get to where you (and most people) are than just evolved feelings or enlightened self-interest.

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  8. @jehu – “Most people throughout most of history didn’t have any huge issue with treating groups of people in an unequal fashion, and they didn’t suffer from anarchy most of the time either.”

    you’re absolutely right. a while after leaving that comment, i thought about striking out the anarchy bit, ’cause obviously not treating everyone as equals does not automatically lead to anarchy, but i have a general policy of not liking to change what i’ve written so i left it. i sorta had african societies in mind when i left the comment, but clearly you can have everything from the ottoman empire to china today which function well enough without treating everyone equally before the law.

    i don’t want to live in such a society, though. i like that everyone is treated equally before the law — most of all, i like at least the thought that i will (hopefully) be treated equally before the law if i ever have to defend myself in a court of law.

    of course, such a system works best in a homogenous society — or at least one where there is a strong majority population setting the cultural norms. in a multikulti society, everyone being treated equally also — pretty apparently — gives rise to anarchy, so that’s no good.

    @jehu – “So more is required to get to where you (and most people) are than just evolved feelings….”

    if you mean indoctrination and propaganda, then i agree with you. but those things only work by manipulating basic feelings and drives, i.e. evolved feelings and drives.

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