mitä kuuluu suomalaisten kanssa?

oh, no! finns in finland have a shorter life-expectancy than swedes in finland. ‘sup with that? (these researchers think it could be something genetic.):

“Family origin and mortality: prospective Finnish cohort study”

“Background: Death rates are notably higher in eastern Finland than in western Finland, and life expectancy of Finnish speakers shorter than that of Swedish speakers. The mortality differences correspond to recent genetic mappings of the population and are prominent for causes of death that are known to be associated with genetic risk factors….

“Result: The death risk of Finnish speakers born in eastern Finland was 1.13 (95% confidence interval 1.01 to 1.26) that of Finnish speakers born in western Finland, whereas that of Swedish speakers was only 0.60 (0.52 to 0.71). In Finnish speakers, the effects of own birth area and area of residence disappeared when parental birth area was accounted for. The death risk of persons with at least one parent born in eastern Finland was 1.23 (1.09 to 1.39) that of people with both parents born in western Finland.

“Conclusions: Parental birth area is the driving force behind the regional mortality difference in Finland. The findings highlight and give further support for the potentially important role of genetic risk factors in mortality….

“Our results correspond with known facts about mortality of middle-aged men in Finland. The death risk of Finnish speakers in western Finland is approximately ten per cent lower than that of Finnish speakers in eastern Finland, but 40% higher than that of Swedish speakers. These mortality differences resemble genetic mappings of the population, but no explicit link has yet been established….

“We find that mortality differences by people’s own birth area, which might proxy not only genetic factors but also early-life conditions, are fully explained by the parents’ birth area. If at least one parent was born in eastern Finland, the death risk is over 20% higher as compared with if both parents were born in western Finland.

Relative death rates by region in Finland, standardised for age and calendar year, men aged 35-49 years, 1986-2005 . Total Finland is equal to one. The classification is according to the 20 administrative regions, plus one category (number 7) that separates the Helsinki metropolitan area.

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  1. You’ll get more or less the same map for violent crime, suicide, divorce, single motherhood, obesity, basically every social pathology. Comparison on how the Finnish majority sucks compared to the Swedes is basic everyday fluff and it is totally nontaboo to say that it’s genetics. Of course, it’s totally taboo to compare the majority to any of the less performing minorities, some of which are pretty damn old as well (eg gypsies), and if you were to suggest the same routine genetics explanation that’s standard for Finn-Swede differences for, say, white-black differences, well, you better have your finances covered since you won’t be working any decent job after that…

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  2. @jaakkeli – “…and if you were to suggest the same routine genetics explanation that’s standard for Finn-Swede differences for, say, white-black differences, well, you better have your finances covered since you won’t be working any decent job after that…”

    of course, of course. gotta toe the politically correct line — but only regarding certain groups! yup. i understand. unfortunately. *sigh*

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  3. Swedes in Finland have been a ‘market-dominant minority’ since about 1150, so maybe that explains part of it.

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  4. Dutch criminologist Willem Bonger wrote this very interesting book ‘Race and Crime’ in the 1940s, don’t know if you’ve seen it. Anyway in Chapter 3 ‘Case Studies’ in the section on ‘Criminality of the Ugro-Finns,’ he writes:

    The most distinguished Finnish criminal statistician, Verkko, informs us that the figure for murders in Finland is about 20 times as high as in the Scandinavian countries. In Finland itself, where about 10 percent of the population speak Swedish, the relative aggressive criminality (manslaughter and assault with resulting death) of the Finnish-speaking part is two or three times as great and, in the case of criminal assault, even four times as great.

    In the first place, this author points out that the enormous aggressive criminality of the Finns is explained by alcoholism, which is very prevalent among them. From an investigation made in 1931 on the causes of the increase in criminality in the years 1920-29, this appears to be the case.

    In the United States, also, the Finns, of all immigrants, are found guilty of the most misdemeanors while under the influence of alcohol.

    This table shows, at the same time, that the other Scandinavian peoples are also guilty to a great extent of misdemeanors while under the influence of alcohol, although in their case this does not lead (as shown in Table XX) to serious aggressive criminality. This would confirm the remark by Lellep that alcohol causes different reactions in different races.

    I wonder if the Finns could be genetically more susceptible to alcoholism, which can contribute to higher mortality rates. Hasn’t this been hypothesized to be the case in Russia?

    Just a thought.

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  5. An interesting point to note here is that on the 2009 PISA test, the Finnish majority outperformed the Swedish minority, so while Swedes may outperform Finns in economic, health, and crime factors, Finns tend to do better on tests. It does show that while there is significant correlation between those factors and intelligence, there are most certainly other factors involved.

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  6. @r.a. – “An interesting point to note here is that on the 2009 PISA test, the Finnish majority outperformed the Swedish minority….”

    very interesting!

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  7. Swedes in Finland have been a ‘market-dominant minority’ since about 1150, so maybe that explains part of it.

    This is actually NOT true on the map. The Swedish coastal areas have historically been inhabited by Swedish peasants and fishermen, not different from the inland Finns in status. Sure, the very small upper class in the very few cities (for most of history mostly just the capital) spoke Swedish but the urban upper class part was much less ethnically Swedish and very mixed with the Baltic Germans who controlled east Baltic trade, socially climbing Finns, Jews etc. Most of the remnants of that population have switched to Finnish after the break from Sweden and some swapped to French for the possibility of getting into the Russian upper classes during Russian rule and so on.

    It’s tricky but in the end simple, apart from the cities of Turku and Helsinki everything there has been pretty much equally poor, Swedish speaking or not, and equally middle class since Finland got out of the dirt poor league somewhere after WWII. (Well, actually Helsinki too was founded in the middle of poor Swedish fishermen villages and it’s still eating the remnants of those communities while it expands…)

    MG: the Finnic minorities left in Russia (a few million people) tend to be notably worse on that *in Russia*, ie worse problems with alcohol than Russians, higher mortality, higher violent crime etc. The Russians probably picked up those problems with all the Finnic tribes they absorbed…

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