auster and the germans

larry auster doesn’t like the germans. i mean, he really doesn’t like the germans. he thinks they are out to destroy western civilization as we know it (or what’s left of it):

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“[T]he German-championed transnational opposite of the Nazi nationalism which sought to destroy the nations of Europe, is also destroying the nations of Europe. One way or another, whether in their Nazi form or in their hyper-liberal form, the Germans pose a determined threat to the nations and peoples of the West. To paraphrase Churchill’s famous remark about the Germans, they need to be kept at our feet, or else they will go for our throat.

“I am not being extreme or ‘anti-German’ when I say that. The Germans agree with me. They see themselves as a threat to others. That’s why they say that the EU is necessary, to keep them, the ever-threatening Germans, in check. The problem is that the German-led EU which in the German mind is aimed at suppressing the German nation, must suppress all other European nations as well. This is why, just as German nationalism could not be allowed to rule Europe, German anti-nationalism also cannot be allowed to rule Europe. Germany must not rule, period….”

a little extreme, but — fair enough. the man’s entitled to his opinion.

but, as a german blogger points out, you wouldn’t be able to utter those words — “the Germans pose a determined threat to the nations and peoples of the West” — about any other group of people without practically being strung up for it!

larry does have a point, tho (edit: with regard to the “nazi nationalism” [isn’t that redundant?] part). the germans (or germanic peoples) do often seem to be in search of a little lebensraum, to the detriment of their neighbors: first the romans, then the gauls, the britons got shoved aside, not to mention the poles, and the french again — and again!, and — oh, i dunno — a bunch of slavic peoples, iirc (which i don’t). h*ll — a bunch of them even came to this country! oh, wait. even the founders, being anglo-saxony brits, were germanic. eek! they’re everywhere!

but you can’t blame the germans for wanting to expand their territory. EVERYbody wants to expand their territories! and many have. for instance: the bantus in africa, the han chinese, the russians, the french, the spanish, the arabs, modern humans…. seems a little unfair to pick on the germans when almost every human group (prolly every human group) has tried to expand its territory — including many other european populations!

and, if he were paying attention, larry would know that this is just basic biology. ALL species expand into new territories whenever they can. THAT’s the whole point! a few examples: uh … bears, chimps, ants, KILLER BEES! you get the idea.

sure. the people(s) who are at the receiving end of some other group’s expansion are bound to be p*ssed off. i can understand that. however, i think auster might have a different, more personal reason for hating germans. and that’s understandable, too.

me? i like germans! what’s not to like about germans?!:

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  1. Hmm, but don’t you think the Germans are being a bit hypocritical?

    Slowly reducing the amount of Turks at home, while being the solid economic backbone of the uberliberal and quite anti-tribal EU abroad?

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  2. @ihtg – “…while being the solid economic backbone….”

    well, you can’t blame them for working hard. (~_^) and, anyway, during & after the greek bailout, i think we’ve learned that the average german does not want anything to do with the “anti-tribal” eu.

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  3. @olave – “I personally pay much less attention to Auster than most blogorightists.”

    i, actually, don’t read him at all. but i thought this post of his was quite remarkable — even for him. (~_^)

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  4. i think we’ve learned that the average german does not want anything to do with the “anti-tribal” eu

    Yeah, and most of them weren’t Nazis, either.

    For the record, I agree that Auster’s attack on the German state is pretty weird, but I read it as an act of conservative iconoclasm, not an ethnic grudge. It’s not some recurring theme of his.

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  5. ” I read it as an act of conservative iconoclasm, not an ethnic grudge. It’s not some recurring theme of his.”

    You are wrong. Auster hates Germans and he showed it clearly. He even refuses to read the answer of Manfred Kleine- Hartlage, but says Kleine- Hartlage was an idiot.

    In my introduction (mentioned above) to another article of Kleine- Hartlage I stated the latin Proverb: Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi (What Jupiter may do is forbidden to the ox).

    When we Germans do ANYthing it is evil, when Auster´s people do ANYthing it is good.

    They work with two different standards for themselves and for us (and everybody else) and when someone puts his finger into the wound he is a “hater” and a “racist.”

    It is still true what Churchill said. This war and every crime that followed it was never about Hitler and NS. It is a war against the German people and this war never came to an end.

    Good day to you

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  6. @ihtg – “Auster’s attack on the German state.”

    well, he didn’t say “the German state poses a determined threat to the nations and peoples of the West” — he clearly said “the Germans pose a determined threat to the nations and peoples of the West.”

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  7. And he also says, further on:
    I have nothing against Germans. I like and admire Germans. I want Germans to be happy and not guilty any more about Nazism.

    Let me elaborate:
    I think there’s a certain right-wing trope in America that says, “We Anglo-Saxons are corrupt and easily led astray by liberal ideologies, but ze Germans, they’re stoic, no-nonsense badasses, who still believe in good solid engineering and getting shit done. We should be more like them.”
    That’s the trope I think Auster is iconoclastically attacking here, although it’s probably not worth the heat he’ll get.

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  8. What I mean to say is, it would be a good thing to be more like that idealized vision of Germany, but that admiration shouldn’t mean that we can’t criticize the real-life, imperfect, EU supporting Germany.

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  9. These are two different subjects:

    1. Auster hates the German people

    2. Auster criticizes the German government for supporting the EU, etc.

    2 is all well, but he does connect it with 1. This is as if I say Obamas “change” means that Americans in general are idiots, or that Erdogans plans to conquer the world mean that every turk is a facists or that the settlements on Palestenian territory mean that every Jew is a thief.

    This is not tolerable. The allies may have won WW II, but we will not tolerate that they let any jewisch fool who holds a grudge against us speak in a way about us that, the other way around, would cause never ending accusations.

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  10. Nach Auster, mein Herr, sind die Juden keine Götter: sie machen heute vielen schlechte Sachen. Wieviel Juden sagen soviel, während alle die Welt es verneint? Sehr wenige, natürlich – auch unter sie, die stehen auf stark-rechts und außerdem sehr interessant sind. Ich muß denn Auster viel magen, sowie alle solche Menschen.

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  11. @ihtg – “And he also says, further on: I have nothing against Germans. I like and admire Germans. I want Germans to be happy and not guilty any more about Nazism.”

    well, that’s good of him to say so. but at the same time he still, afaics, thinks that germans are a threat to other nations and the peoples of the west.

    my point just is that most peoples are a potential threat to other peoples. that’s just the nature of it.

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  12. Nach Auster, mein Herr, sind die Juden keine Götter: sie machen heute vielen schlechte Sachen. Wieviel Juden sagen soviel, während alle die Welt es verneint? Sehr wenige, natürlich – auch unter sie, die stehen auf stark-rechts und außerdem sehr interessant sind. Ich muß denn Auster viel magen, sowie alle solche Menschen.

    I will tranlsate:

    Auster says, Sir, that jews are no gods: they make today manies bad things. How much Jews say so much, as all the world denies it? Very few, naturally – even under they, they like strong- right and too interesting are. I must then Auster much stomach (or like?), and so all such people.

    It is not my bad english, this is what the commentator said in German. It makes no sense to me, so I said it was “Kauderwelsch” (gibberish, bafflegab).

    I agree to stick to the English language

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  13. ‘No angels’, I should have said, not ‘no gods’.

    There are a million totally cool Jewish dissidents of our stripe in the Anglophone world – many more than one could readily list in 20 minutes. You’d fail to recall half of their names, because they’re in every corner of the maze of dissidence.

    But few of them acknowledge (publicly anyway) that Jewish-Gentile conflict has ‘anything to do with anything’ and is a two-way street. Auster does so explicitly, I really respect that. I admit he can be pretty pedantic – but that, as well as any slightly pushy remarks about Germany, I have to read in light of his virtues.

    I like to think I am like him: namely, I don’t deny that heavy Jewish involvement in bolshevism had partial causes in preceding events — namely Khmelnitsky etc, and the etc is more important than Khmelnitsky — just as NS had a partial cause in bolshevism. The whole shebang is interlinked, and I think treating bolshevism as an isolated event is just as misleading as treating nazism the same way.

    To see just how much integrity he will show, read at least his second and third comments here. No doubt, his opinion that the NS guilt cult should not continue, in its context-free bolshevism-ignoring guise — which of course is not to say memorialization should stop — is related to the ideas he presents there.

    The man has backbone. Of course, it is not one’s fault if one didn’t know these views of his on extremely salient issues. I didn’t, until a few months ago.

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