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Ancient Native Americans’ Living Descendants Revealed“Ancient people who lived in in Northern America about 5,000 years ago have living descendants today, new research suggests.”

No single origin for agriculture in the Fertile Crescent“Transition from foraging to farming occurred over the entire Fertile Crescent.” – see also Early agriculture from Iran from dienekes.

Mental Retardation and Dadly Adaptations – from greg cochran.

Warning over cousin marriages: Unions between blood relatives in Pakistani community [in the u.k.] account for third of birth defects in their children“Bradford research collected data on 11,300 babies involved in project. Rate in city is three times the national average of just under two per cent.”

The Problem with Writing about Race“One of the purposes of this site was to develop something called ‘Liberal Race Realism,’ which is a movement that I started. Admittedly, it hasn’t gone anywhere at all. Actually, it has been a complete failure. But that is ok. Really what it shows though is just how messed up people, especially Americans, are about race.” – from robert lindsay via hbdbibliography.

White skin privilege“There is a widespread belief, particularly among proponents of whiteness studies, that notions of beauty are determined by power relationships…. This belief is so entrenched that little concern is shown for counterfactual evidence, such as the medieval trade in fair-skinned women for clients in North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia…. [T]his pattern is inconsistent with the belief that power relationships determine notions of beauty.” – from peter frost.

Emmanuel Todd’s L’invention de l’Europe: A critical summary – from craig willy.

Exposure to stress even before conception causes genetic changes to offspring“A female’s exposure to distress even before she conceives causes changes in the expression of a gene linked to the stress mechanism in the body — in the ovum and later in the brains of the offspring from when they are born, according to a new study on rats.”

First baby born after full genetic screening of embryos“Connor … is the first child to be born after his parents had the entire genomes of a batch of their IVF embryos screened for abnormalities, with the intention of picking the healthiest for implantation.” – via hbdbibliography.

Economic growth and evolution: Parental preference for quality and quantity of offspring – from jason collins.

How Simple Can Life Get? It’s Complicated

Genetic links between post-reproductive lifespan and family size in Framingham – via mr. mangan, esq.

Evolution, lifestyle, and diseases of affluence – from mr. mangan, esq.

‘Lower BMI mark for ethnic groups’“The standard test to see whether people are a healthy weight does not work consistently across different ethnicities, [u.k.] health officials have said.” – via v.a.w.

Richard Lynn On A Century of IQ In Britain And The U.S. – see also steve sailer’s Does IQ testing work or not work?

Children’s diets worse today than in wartime: And now illnesses of 1940s are making a comeback“Scurvy and rickets are on the rise amongst children who live on junk food.” – what about brain development / behavior / iq? =/

DNA Markers in Low-IQ Autism Suggest Heredity“A new study in the American Journal of Human Genetics finds evidence that there may often be a recessive, inherited genetic contribution in autism with significant intellectual disability.”

Exercise reorganizes the brain to be more resilient to stress – via mike anissimov.

How Strong Is the Female Sex Drive After All?“Women may be more sexually omnivorous than men, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re as hungry.” – via jayman.

Cosmetic surgery to look whiter fails to boost women’s self-esteem

Understanding Evil – interviewing war criminals.

bonus: witch-hunt and whining continue – UNM probe finds professor’s [geoffrey miller's] tweet not part of project

bonus bonus: Tribalism and the War in Syria – via mark weiner.

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i took this table from the recent pew survey of muslims

honor killings permissible - pew 2013

…and made a couple of maps (adapted from this map).

the first one is a map of the differences between what percentage of muslims in each country responded that honor killing is never justifiable when a man commits an offense versus a woman committing an offense. a plus number (+) means more enthusiasm for honor killing women — a negative (-), men. here it is (click on image for LARGER view):

map of expansion of caliphate - pew honor killings diffs

what i think we can see is that, the closer you get to the arab expansion epicenter (the arab peninsula), the greater the enthusiasm for honor killing women. so in jordan it’s +47, lebanon and egypt +10, iraq +11. but when you get out to the edges of the caliphate, the differences are not so great, or they are in fact reversed: morocco -1, turkey and afghanistan and tajikistan 0. even pakistan is only +3. when you get way out to uzbekistan and kyrgyzstan, then the numbers are reversed: -14 and -3.

(it should be noted that for some reason the question was worded differently in uzbekistan, afghanistan, and iraq. everyone else was asked specifically about premarital sex/adultery and family honor, while the uzbekis, afghanis, and iraqis were only asked about family honor. see questions 53 and 54 here [pdf].)

i think that perhaps this is a reflection of what korotayev noticed, i.e. that father’s brother’s daughter (fbd) marriage is found in those places of the world that were a part of the eighth century muslim caliphate, because those populations wanted to emulate the arabs, and the arabs practiced fbd marriage. the reason that the populations on the edges of the caliphate are less enthusiastic about honor killing women is that they were arabized less and/or later than (dare i say it) the “core arabs” and so probably have been practicing fbd marriage for a shorter amount of time. (in fact, korotayev and other russian anthropologists suggest that fbd marriage started in the levant and moved southwards into the arab peninsula, so some of the jordanians and lebanese may have started practicing fbd marriage before the arabs down in the peninsula.)

i think, too, that there is a connection between fbd marriage and honor killings, because fbd marriage leads to greater inbreeding, and greater amounts of inbreeding may very probably lead to greater frequencies of “genes for altruism” — and honor killings can be viewed as a sort-of upside-down-and-backwards form of altruism (at least they seem that way to us).

and/or the arabs simply introduced some crazy “genes for upside-down-and-backwards altruism” to these various populations, and less so on the fringes presumably because not so many arabs actually made it that far. edit: also interesting to note is that in fbd societies, all of the men in extended families/clans share the same y-chromosome. if there is a connection between violence and some gene(s) on the y-chromosome (i thought greg cochran said something about this, but i can’t find it now), maybe this is exacerbated by fbd marriage.

here is the other map — the percentage of muslims in each country responding that it is rarely, sometimes, or often justified to honor kill women:

map of expansion of caliphate - pew honor killings women

again, the numbers taper off on the edges of the extent of the caliphate.

previously: father’s brother’s daughter’s marriage and inclusive inclusive fitness and who wants sharia?

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pew has just released the results of their latest survey of muslims around the world (in 39 different countries).

here’s a map showing the percentage of muslims in each country that would like sharia to be the law of their land (click on map for LARGER image – should take you to the pew site):

who wants sharia - pew 2013

the iraqs, afghanis, and pakistanis all seem pretty eager for sharia — they’re all in the 75-100% range. the moroccans, too. and the palestinian territories.

this is a large report from pew, so have a look at the whole thing yourself.

here’s something else that i found particularly interesting:

honor killings permissible - pew 2013

of the countries that think that honor killing is more justified when women commit an offense than when men do — russia, albania, azerbaijan, bangladesh, pakistan, jordan, iraq, egypt, lebanon, tunisia, and the palestinian territories — a majority of them (7 out of 11) have a preference for father’s brother’s daughter’s (fbd) marriage — pakistan, jordan, iraq, egypt, lebanon, tunisia, and the palestinian territories.

i don’t know what, if any, form of cousin marriage is preferred in azerbaijan or bangladesh. paternal cousin marriage, which would include fbd marriage, is avoided in places like chechnya and (at least among some peoples in) dagestan (russia in this survey?) and albania. the difference in the responses in albania was not very great (+1 point), but the difference in russia(?) was statistically significant at +7 points. it’s difficult to know who these “russian” muslims are (maybe the info is in an appendix somewhere — i’ll have to look), so i don’t know if they’re the chechens and/or some dagestanis and/or some other group(s) — and, so, i don’t know what their mating patterns are.

i’m surprised that afghanistan breaks even. i would’ve predicted that they would be like the other fbd marriage groups.

it’s interesting that some of the central asian “stans” — kyrgyzstan and uzbekistan — swing in the opposite direction. a greater number of people feel that honor killings are more justified against men who break the rules than women. i don’t know much of anything about these populations, but i did read a bit just the other day, and it seems that they have a preference for maternal cousin marriage. (note that i don’t have a good idea what the rates might be.)

previously: inclusive inclusive fitness

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you’ve seen these sorts of numbers before, but … just a reminder. from the daily mail:

“A quarter of all babies born in the UK are the children of immigrants as mothers from Poland, India and Pakistan give birth in record numbers”

“Almost a quarter of babies born in the UK are children of immigrants, according to latest statistics.

“There were 808,000 births in the UK last year, of which 196,000 were to non-UK born mothers – or 24 per cent….

“Polish women who live in the UK gave birth to around 23,000 children last year.

“Women from Pakistan had 19,200 babies in the same period and Indian women gave birth to 15,500 children.

“Four in 10 children born to immigrant mothers were born in London.

“Half were born in other parts of England, and one in 10 were born in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland combined.

“The ONS said fertility rates for non-UK born women are higher than those born in the UK….”

here’s the money quote chart — general fertility rate (gfr)=“the annual number of live births per 1,000 women of childbearing age”:

and, of course, all these data are only tracking immigrant women BORN abroad — there are also plenty of pakistani, polish, etc., women in the u.k. that were born IN the u.k. now having babies as well.

see also hail’s post: France Reaches 30% Diversity Among Newborns

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i’m still mad as h*ll about this. incensed is the word, although that doesn’t describe it by half.

and what’s really bothering me is that this scandal — the sexual abuse of underage white girls by pakistani men in rotherham, and the subsequent and presumably ongoing cover up of that abuse by politicians, the police and social services, and obviously now the media — doesn’t seem to be much of a scandal in the british media. the press over there seem more concerned with one girl who ran off with her school teacher (he’s white) than the hundreds (or potentially thousands) of abused girls who were overlooked by too many in authority whose job it was to help such girls. right now there’s something like 1250 stories about the runaway couple on google.co.uk news, whereas i count ca. 90 stories about the rotherham scandal. unbelievable.

so, here are some more details on the case, originally from the times uk [behind a paywall], but lifted from rotherham politics:

“Town where girls were betrayed — first by groomers, then by the police”

“More than 200 confidential documents seen by The Times offer damning evidence of an institutional failure to tackle an epidemic of organised sexual exploitation in Rotherham.

“Similar crime networks have flourished during the past ten years across the North and Midlands, from Bradford, Birmingham and Blackburn to Derby, Manchester and Rochdale.

“A common pattern was that the men turning the abuse of young teenage girls into a collective activity were predominantly from a small sub-section of British Pakistani society….

“As long ago as 1996, a social services investigation uncovered concerns that girls were being coerced into ‘child prostitution’ by a small group of men who regularly collected them from residential care homes. Two years later, 70 girls from the town were said to be involved.

“The findings led to a one-year, Home-Office funded research project on the ‘detection, investigation and prosecution of offenders involved in sexual exploitation in Rotherham’….

“The project’s report was never published. It included ten case studies, all of them white British girls, and found that the men linked to the majority of the girls were members of one Asian family‘. ["asian" here means south asian. - h.chick] …

“There was ‘a great deal of data concerning the activities of these men’ yet none was charged with any sex offence. The report was written ten years ago. It should have acted as a wake-up call but for the next seven years nothing changed….

“Groups of young and older men, most of Pakistani heritage but also Iraqi Kurds and Kosovans, were operating in different areas of the town, known to police and social services yet seemingly immune from prosecution….

“A few miles away in Sheffield, South Yorkshire Police launched an investigation in 2007 into a network of Iraqi men aged 20 to 45 who were targeting girls in residential care. The youngest victim was 12. Convictions, prison sentences and deportations followed. [as they should have! - h.chick] An internal police report noted: ‘The offenders were well organised. Girls were approached and groomed by the men, coming to think of them as boyfriends.

“‘Once relationships were cemented, the situation changed. The offenders used violence to control the girls, who were then trafficked around the country, forced to have sex with other Iraqi men and used as prostitutes….’

“A July 2010 independent review for Rotherham’s safeguarding children board, which was not made public, described the Operation Central offences as ‘child exploitation at the top end of seriousness….’

It was a hard-hitting report in all but one respect. Issues of ethnicity and culture remained taboo.

‘Although the alleged perpetrators are of Asian origin and the victims are white, this is the factuality of these cases alone; nothing more can be drawn from that. It is imperative that suggestions/allusions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided. These assertions are without foundation.’ In reality, ten years of case files and intelligence reports had built the most solid of foundations for such an assertion.

“Within six months, a confidential internal report from South Yorkshire Police’s intelligence bureau, Child Sexual Exploitation — A strategic Problem Profile, gave further evidence of an escalating crisis….

“As of late 2010, up to 300 children were actively being sexually exploited in the country. Because most suffered ‘multiple criminal offences’, the force was ‘in all likelihood looking at the number of offences resulting from CSE [child sexual exploitation] reaching the thousands each year’….

“On the thorny issue of ethnicity, the report’s message was stark. ‘Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield, and even more so in Rotherham where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females. Doncaster reported a similar problem with Iraqi Kurd offenders, as did Sheffield.’

“Victims were ‘almost exclusively white or black’, with ‘very few’ Asian girls identified. ‘Work should be undertaken to explore why Asian and Iraqi males are over-represented as offenders,’ the report recommended.”
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some examples of the abuse and the lack of help by the authorities:

“Police went to a house outside which a father was demanding the release of his daughter, who was inside with a group of British Pakistani adults. Officers found the girl, 14, who had been drugged, under a bed. The father and his daughter were arrested for racial harassment and assault respectively. Police left, leaving three men at the house with two more girls….

“One young girl was doused in petrol as a threat against reporting sexual offences….

“Girls in Leeds also know the main perpetrators. They start grooming girls as young as 12 and are pimping them by age 13 or 14. Rape, multiple rapes and gang rape are often part of the grooming process. They have been operating for years. People in the community are too frightened to speak out. They do not talk about them within their own cultural community….

“One girl, 15, spent days in hospital after a broken bottle was allegedly forced inside her by two young British Pakistani men in a park, causing her to bleed extensively…..

“A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams. Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men….

“A specialist project’s intelligence report for police identified 61 girls — 59 white, two Asian — linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 associates of the brothers who allegedly used girls for sex….

“[O]ne young white girl, known by social services to have been sexually abused by Asian men from the age of 12, was offered language lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by Rotherham council. The aim was ‘to engage’ her in education….”

previously: diversity über alles and sex and “the other”

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*update below*

and to h*ll with the kids (apparently).

from the times uk via rotherham politics:

“Confidential papers show a decade of abuse in South Yorkshire”

“Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

“They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

“A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was ‘the biggest child protection scandal of our time’.

“The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

“We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.

“The internal police and social service correspondence, research papers, intelligence reports and case files are a detailed history of alleged child sexual exploitation in South Yorkshire since 2000, focusing on Rotherham. They include a confidential 2010 report by the police intelligence bureaus warning that thousands of such crimes were committed in the country each year.

“It contains explosive details about the men responsible for the most serious, co-ordinated abuse. ‘Possibly the most shocking threat is the existence of substantial and organised offender networks that groom and exploit victims on a worrying scale,’ the report says. ‘Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield and even more so in Rotherham, where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females.’ Such groups are said to have trafficked South Yorkshire child victims ‘to many other cities, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover’.

Another confidential 2000 report, for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, noted that such crimes had ‘cultural characteristics … which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity’.

It said: ‘There are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships. Great care will be taken in drafting … this report to ensure that its findings embrace Rotherham’s qualities of diversity. It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided.'”

i think i’m going to be sick.
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update 09/25: a detail from the story of one of the abused girls, “amy” — who was 13 at the time:

“In one incident, an older, married cousin of her main abuser, annoyed after she laughed at a joke about his weight, dragged her across the grass in a park and shoved a tree branch inside her.”

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geneticists will tell you that the percentage of their genomes that two first-cousins will probably share is 6.25% (standard deviation ±2.4% — i’ve been wondering that, too!). but that’s in a randomly mating population. i’ve been wondering what happens in a population where cousin-marriage is the norm and has occurred generation after generation — like in saudi arabia or pakistan. what percentage of their genomes are those kinds of first-cousins likely to share?

well, now i have an answer. (it might not be the answer ’cause these researchers were looking only at families with congenital disorders, so … you know … ascertainment bias and all that.)

in “Quantification of Homozygosity in Consanguineous Individuals with Autosomal Recessive Disease,” woods, et. aaaaallll. (there’s a LOT of them), found that, in populations with regular, long-term cousin-marriage over many generations — in saudi arabians and pakistanis, as a matter of fact — first-cousins shared, on average, 11% of their genomes in common. that’s approaching twice as much as first-cousins in a randomly mating population.

“In conclusion, we found that the amount of homozygosity is greater than expected (11% observed vs. 6% expected) in individuals with autosomal recessive disease whose parents are first cousins and who come from communities that frequently practice consanguineous marriage. First-cousin offspring had as much homozygosity as would have been expected for double–first cousin offspring.”

so, first-cousin marriages in places like pakistan and saudi arabia (and afghanistan, etc., etc.) are, on average, more like double-first-cousin marriages in places where mating is more random, like large segments of the u.s., europe and the west in general. maybe.

here, once again, are mr. light-blue and ms. pink and their offspring, mr. dark-blue, to illustrate the differences for you (click on images for a LARGER view — should open in new tab/window):

mr. light-blue and ms. pink randomly mating:

here are the proud parents with their offspring, mr. dark-blue, who inherited the family fortune half of his genome from his father, and the other half from his mother:

here are mr. light-blue and ms. pink again, only this time they are first-cousins and share (prolly) 6.25% of their genomes in common (the bits that overlap):

here they are with blue, jr., who has still inherited half of his genome from each of his parents, but he’s got two identical (by descent) copies of some of his genome — he is less unique than mr. dark-blue above (see how he’s narrower?):

here are mr. light-blue and ms. pink one last time — they are first-cousins once again, but they come from a society where cousin marriage is the norm and are the descendants of a line of cousin marriages. the “overlap” of their genomes (11%) is larger than the first cousins above:

and here’s the final incarnation mr. dark-blue who is even less unique than mr. dark blue ii because he inherited even greater numbers of genes that are identical by descent from his parents:

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in response to the post on inbreeding in pakistan, j asked: “Many peoples discovered that inbreeding causes birth defects and they imposed social rules to avoid it. How is that these Pakistanis are not aware of the danger and on the contrary, they enforce it?”

well, really, endogamy of some sort seems to be the default setting for non-hunter-gatherer groups of humans, so it shouldn’t be a surprise when we come across a group that is rather fond of inbreeding. the rates of consanguineous marriages for pakistan (and places like saudi arabia, et. al.) are really extraordinary, tho; and in some areas of pakistan endogamous marriages (cousin marriage + marriage within the patrilineage) can reach levels like 90% of all marriages.

but why aren’t pakistanis (and other groups) put off all these close marriages by the negative side-effects like congenital disorders? some of it seems to be that they’re just not informed enough on the matter (so i suppose that they never figured out the connection on their own either?) — and some of it seems to be that they’re just resigned to their fate. pakistanis have decided that the benefits (e.g. keeping the property in the family) outweighs the drawbacks, i guess.

here from a paper entitled “Cosmopolitan Knowledge and Indigenous Perceptions of Congenital Diseases Among the Cousin Marriage Practitioners in Kabirwala Community – Pakistan” (which was read at quad-e-azam university, islamabad, but i’ll be d*mned if i can find where i got this paper from! – this is the author though):

“For the Pakistani communities, it is rather a matter of destiny and luck than a medical concern.”

example:

“Mehboob [the names have been changed to protect the innocent], a 57-year-old male lawyer is married to his cousin Rubia, 42 years old. Rubia has 5 years schooling. The couple has 9 children (2 sons and 7 daughters), one of which died within his first month. Among the 9 children, two are blind and one has hearing problems…. However, the couple call it taqdeer (destiny) and argue that two children are blind due to their own sins and that one has died because ‘us kay din poray ho gaye that’ (He has completed his life period). It is believed that God has given a specific life to every person at the birth of a child. According to local belief, the child has to spend only the prescribed life which God has given. When I mentioned a genetic problem as a possible interpretation during the interview, the parents said that it was ‘God’s will’, that this was the reason for their son’s death. According to the couple, Islam does not forbid cousin marriage. Therefore, there is no need to argue the issue on the basis of genetics. It is a matter of luck and destiny. Genetics have a minor role to play.”

c’est la vie, eh?

previously: anarchy in the u.k. and inbreeding in pakistan

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