links don’t appear in this backup post. but i’ve got them in the blog backup files — so if you really want a link from an old open thread comment, just ask. (^_^)
07/01/2012 at 6:34 AM (Edit)
Have you seen this?
GEEK Magazine photo
07/07/2012 at 12:36 AM (Edit)
I was just reading something The Derb wrote, about a conference he’d attended. He said that he had met hbdchick, and that he found her lovely and charming. Ha! I knew it! You _are_ an hot aspie chick. It’s a shame there are so few of you, and that even fewer of you are available for social interactions.
07/07/2012 at 1:40 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “…and that he found her lovely and charming.”
he’s just saying that ’cause i bought his book. (~_^)
the derb was very charming and a very funny guy! i’m glad to have had the chance to meet him. (^_^)
07/07/2012 at 2:31 PM (Edit)
I remember once seeing somewhere on this blog a post, complete with a map, similar to this one, noting the correlation between dominant religion in Europe and ethnic group. But for the life of me I can’t find it again. Any ideas which post could this be, or am I remembering entirely the wrong site? This will come in handy for my next post about ideology in Europe.
07/08/2012 at 6:37 AM (Edit)
Sometime between last night and this morning, One STDV took his blog private. You might want to remove it from your list of links.
07/09/2012 at 4:42 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “I remember once seeing somewhere on this blog a post, complete with a map, similar to this one, noting the correlation between dominant religion in Europe and ethnic group.”
i think you might be thinking of this post (i had a struggle finding it, too!).
keep in mind that i drew that map with a crayon ms paint and more-or-less by guesstimation! (~_^)
07/09/2012 at 4:45 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “Sometime between last night and this morning, One STDV took his blog private. You might want to remove it from your list of links.”
huh. wonder what prompted him to do that? i’ll prolly just leave the link there — some people might be happy to sign in to blogger (that looks like all you have to do to view his blog, i think?).
07/09/2012 at 10:49 PM (Edit)
Nope. I was signed in with my blogger ID and it was invisible to me.
OT, but please have a look at my anti-saxophone rant on my blog. It is quite foamy, if I do say so myself. I have undertaken a personal mission to spread hatred of saxophones and saxophonists throughout the whole wide world.
07/09/2012 at 10:55 PM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “Nope. I was signed in with my blogger ID and it was invisible to me.”
huh. too bad.
@justthisguy – “I have undertaken a personal mission to spread hatred of saxophones and saxophonists throughout the whole wide world.”
oh noes! i luv the sax! (~_^)
07/11/2012 at 12:10 PM (Edit)
Have you had this problem?
Apparently, Google “Safe Browsing” has flagged my old blog site as containing malware (check it out, jayman.blog.com). My new site is up and running with no problems, so I’m good there, but I still need folks who were linked to my old site to find my new site, and naturally I don’t want them seeing a big red screen about how my site can harm their computer…
Of course, this surprised me, and I went all over my site and found nothing wrong, so I changed my password and moved on. A scan of my site (http://sitecheck.sucuri.net/scanner/) has found no problems other than the Google blacklisting. I’ve went through the necessary steps with Google for them to review my site. I don’t see a legitimate reason for this…unless…
Am I really being Watsoned already? Man…..at least let me get famous first…… :\
07/12/2012 at 3:26 AM (Edit)
Dang, Jayman, that sucks. I have surmised, from some hints I’ve noticed around the Web, that you might have some African ancestry yourself. If that is the case, that really sucks.
Here at the chick’s place, we’re all about telling the truth and shaming the devil, and doing justice, though the heavens fall.
I believe that each human race has some characteristically annoying characteristics, as noticed by people of other races, and also some characteristically admirable characteristics, also as noticed by people of other races. (Jews are really good at business, but you don’t want to work for one if your’e a gentile.)
07/12/2012 at 4:48 AM (Edit)
@ Jayman “Am I really being Watsoned already? ” What does that mean? Does it mean they are trying to keep you invisible? Did Sherlock do something to Watson I don’t know about? Anyway, these things do happen. A couple of days ago I was giving a radio interview (nckradio, if you can get through it) All perfectly innocent New Age specuation about the earth as an organized entity and I don’t mean just the biosphere. When the host invited me to name my web site, I got cut off. So HE gave may web site and the whole show got cut off. Perfectly normal paranoia. Nothing to worry about.
07/12/2012 at 4:54 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy “I believe that each human race has some characteristically annoying characteristics, as noticed by people of other races” You could be right. And that goes tenfold for every religion. I suspect the whole purpose of religions is to offend outsiders. They’re so good at it they even offend insiders.
07/12/2012 at 7:22 PM (Edit)
“They’re so good at it they even offend insiders.”
You are so right, Linton. My own church is a perfect example. It’s a little splinter faction run by the Anglican Mission in the Americas, out of Africa, to bring the gospel to the heathen whites and those who are just fed up with ECUSA. I don’t how widely known this is, but most Anglicans in the world are non-white. Until recently we were affiliated with the Anglican Province of Rwanda. However, there was a shakeup in the House of Bishops in Rwanda with most of them, who were Tutsis, resigning. The new bunch, mostly Hutus, cut us loose. I think we are now going to come under an archbishop in Ghana.
I find all of this quite funny, being the White Nationalist that I am. Why, the last time I happened to meet a strange Negro in the men’s room, I said, “How do you do, Your Grace?” (He was our previous Archbishop, the Tutsi.)
07/13/2012 at 1:18 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Have you had this problem? Apparently, Google ‘Safe Browsing’ has flagged my old blog site as containing malware (check it out, jayman.blog.com).”
oh, no! =/
i can’t say that i’ve experienced it one way or another with hbdchick because i’ve never used/tried google’s ‘safe browsing.’ -?- hope you get it sorted out with them! lemme know what happens.
07/13/2012 at 1:24 AM (Edit)
@linton – “‘Am I really being Watsoned already?’ What does that mean?”
being “watsoned” refers to being blacklisted and/or otherwise being treated as a pariah because of saying something politically incorrect. it’s a reference to what happened to the reknowned scientist, james d. watson, when he made some comments about intelligence in africans (he basically lost his position as the head of the cold spring harbor laboratory which HE founded!).
07/13/2012 at 1:27 AM (Edit)
@linton – “I suspect the whole purpose of religions is to offend outsiders.”
heh! that’s a good way of putting it, and it really does get to the heart of establishing religious institutions — or any institution for that matter — namely to indicate who’s in the ingroup and who’s in the outgroup. all the specifics are just … minor details.
07/17/2012 at 7:24 PM (Edit)
Try this one on for size:
Maureen Dowd accused of ‘ethnic empathy’ for writing about fellow Irish American
Here’s a quote:
Writing in the Los Angeles Times, senior editorial writer Michael McGough asks the question, ”Is ethnic empathy the same as bigotry?” and concludes that “ethnic empathy isn’t the same as bigotry, after all. But it’s still politically incorrect. “
07/17/2012 at 7:25 PM (Edit)
Here the working link:
Maureen Dowd accused of ‘ethnic empathy’ for writing about fellow Irish American
07/17/2012 at 11:21 PM (Edit)
Hmm. My comments above might as well have been dropped into a mile-deep well without the slightest echo of a splash, to stretch a metaphor. Why did nobody answer me? C’mon, cut some slack for a Theist who is trying to do right! At least, tell me why you think I’m wrong
07/18/2012 at 4:28 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy ” tell me why you think I’m wrong” thanks for the invitation, but I don’t think you’re wrong. Last I recollect we were thumping each other on the back on July 12 saying “Yeah, yeah.” Did I miss something?
07/18/2012 at 3:41 PM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “At least, tell me why you think I’m wrong.”
you mean about this?:
“I believe that each human race has some characteristically annoying characteristics, as noticed by people of other races, and also some characteristically admirable characteristics, also as noticed by people of other races.”
can’t say that i can argue about any of that at all. (^_^)
@justthisguy – “Jews are really good at business, but you don’t want to work for one if your’e a gentile.”
i’ve actually worked for three jews in my lifetime. two were great experiences and one was just awful. but i think the difference was that the two great experiences were when i worked for guys and the bad experience was a woman boss. ugh.
07/18/2012 at 3:58 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “Maureen Dowd accused of ‘ethnic empathy’ for writing about fellow Irish American”
at least the guy that was critical of dowd got this right:
“Maybe, for her, as for a lot of her Irish American readers, Rory’s appearance and ethnicity made his unnecessary death just a bit more more painful.”
he got this right, too:
“If Mom and Maureen are racists for feeling a special pang at the closed eyes on a ‘sweet Irish face,’ then Barack Obama was a racist for observing that ‘if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.’”
07/20/2012 at 11:05 AM (Edit)
@”at least the guy that was critical of dowd got this right”
“Maybe, for her, as for a lot of her Irish American readers, Rory’s appearance and ethnicity made his unnecessary death just a bit more more painful.”
It’s something isn’t it? Maybe they want to see how far they can push The Narrative, because according to it, to have such feelings would indeed make one (Whites) racist.
07/20/2012 at 11:07 AM (Edit)
You might be interested in this:
Ashkenazi Jews are not inbred | Gene Expression | Discover Magazine.
07/21/2012 at 4:34 AM (Edit)
@jayman “…Narrative, because according to it, to have such feelings would indeed make one (Whites) racist.” Welll… So far as I know, if a non-white (whatever “white” means) makes a remark that in other contexts means what would be called “racism” it is in fact called “reverse racism.” That means that “racist” is a hate word for “white.” Like other hate words it identifies the target and adds the message, “They are all alike, and all of them have something we all know about that is wrong with them.”
Is that logical?
07/23/2012 at 6:21 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “You might be interested in this”
07/23/2012 at 6:30 PM (Edit)
@linton – “whatever ‘white’ means”
i like to go with the oxford english dictionary on this one. they usually know what they’re talking about when it comes to english words:
“white: 3b (usu. W-) of or belonging to a light-skinned people, chiefly inhabiting or descended from those having inhabited Europe; of or pertaining to White people.”
07/23/2012 at 7:20 PM (Edit)
@hbd chick “”pertaining to White people.” pretty straightforward. ” Sure, for most purposes. A pathological nit picker could use the phrase, “Self-identified White people,” which would be unambigous, but it sounds kind of PC. My problem is that my own mental abberation is to try to produce computer models of the evolution of populations, evolution in it’s proper sense of “change” that is. I’ve done selection, but it’s only the tip of the berg and didn’t produce any surprises. The computer is in fact more compulsive than I am. It wants definitions that can be carried for a thousand generations in the face of any condition, including mating strategy. Words like “chiefly” do not compute. “Descended from” needs to be made quantitative in a precise fashion. As far as the computer runs, optimal outbreeding a la Patric Bateson is real. Larger assemblages appear to have no biological reality.
But that’s just me. (“just I”?) After all, I wrote the code for the program so it contains my own biases. I didn’t mean to deny human biodiversity, which applies ot assemblages invisible to my own technique.
Didn’t mean to challenge anybody elses right to use the word. Just didn’t want to imply more than I meant. But I would seriously consider challenging use of the word “racist.” My question was whether the logic behind that seems sound.
07/23/2012 at 8:23 PM (Edit)
“You might be interested in this: Ashkenazi Jews are not inbred”
It kind of makes sense when you think about it if inbreeding is mostly about repeatedly marrying close relatives from the same few families. Ashkenazi Jews might then be more like Danes or Icelanders who are exogamous within a fixed endogamous pool delimited by geographic national borders in one case and religious national borders in the other.
I expect there were many times and places when the same few families in particular towns or families in the same economic niche did inbreed for sustained periods but overall they might even be an early case of exogamy within a homogenous population.
Oddly enough lots of expulsions would have helped this mixing and anti inbreeding process – as would adapting to the prevailing mores over close-kin marriages which i assume didn’t apply among Jews in the middle-east?
07/24/2012 at 4:15 AM (Edit)
The one Jew I actually worked for was quite a sweety-pie of an old gent, but it was understood by all that the business was a family business, that I was not family, and that I was not going to be promoted, nor marry the Boss’s daughter, or anything like that, just collect my minimum wage and keep the stock on the shelves in order. I was cool with that. It was a very nice hardware store.
07/24/2012 at 9:47 PM (Edit)
Here you go, drawn by me, at the behest of my gf:
New Welcome to Maine Sign
07/25/2012 at 4:39 PM (Edit)
“Here you go”
08/02/2012 at 10:35 AM (Edit)
Check this out, a rather excellent post by Half Sigma:
Asperger syndrome, the nerdy personality, and HBD
08/02/2012 at 10:39 AM (Edit)
Whoops, I meant this post by HS:
Half Sigma: HBD, the stupidity of crowds, and the Efficient Market Hypothesis
08/02/2012 at 5:59 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “Whoops, I meant this post by HS.”
that was good! i’m inclined to agree with hs that the elites do not secretly understand hbd — for the most part anyway.
i liked this quote he had from another blogger:
“Asperger defined a syndrome characterized in part by an inability to understand peer pressure or be political – one half of the wonder twin power that makes people with Aspergers so valuable in the face of mob rule. The very attributes causing them to be shunned from the crowd are accompanied by the power to ignore the crowd. The other half is the ability to recognize patterns others do not and focus on details while unable to see the big picture. When those powers touch in a person who is willing to spend long hours alone in a lab or in front of a computer, you get very different, and often great results.”
yup! (~_^) (very different, anyway!)
08/02/2012 at 7:38 PM (Edit)
@hbd chick “and often great results.” yup! (~_^) (very different, anyway!)” You know, you can get in trouble the other way, too, seeing a picture that is too big. One time when it worked out rather nicely I was sipping tea in a modest home in Greece. My host asked what I was doing in that part of town and I said, “I was wondering when the castle was built.” “What castle?” “The one we’re in right now.” “This is my house.” “Those three walls are your house, but this wall is a castle.” He gave me the same look you would have given me had it been your house. I conintued, “Come ouside and I’ll show you.” I pointed out some ruins at a very long distance. No question but that was part of a castle. Then I picked out other bits of old wall, establishing the outline of an enormous fort. At last I pointed out bits of the nearest wall, and it’s interior aligned perfectly with the wall I had sitting beside. I asked, “So who built the castle?” “I don’t know. I never saw that castle before in my life.” It was a merry jest, buy you can imagine the problems we might have had if it had been a matter of some emotional consequence. He would have never seen it from my perspective. BTW when my little brother heard the story he would not rest until he got to the bottom of it. It was built by the Ottomans.
08/03/2012 at 3:15 AM (Edit)
A new (maybe?) word for you, Gotra :)
(Mostly) similar to what seems (to me) to be a common pattern: division into a male / female line with marriage along the male line seen as incestuous out to the nth degree (or as far as people can remember*) while along the female line it isn’t seen as incestuous even if it’s uncle-neice.
(*It’s very easy to remember of course if the man keeps the surname and marriage can’t be between the same surnames. I wonder if relative simplicity is one of the reasons it’s so common?)
The big distinction between the Catholic church’s ban and the various forms of non-FBD marriage bans seems to be it applies to both the male and female lines.
Some matrilineal exceptions mentioned too.
08/14/2012 at 8:37 PM (Edit)
Check this out:
Giant pumice island floats in the Pacific
08/15/2012 at 5:14 AM (Edit)
08/15/2012 at 10:33 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Giant pumice island…”
08/20/2012 at 8:29 PM (Edit)
could you perhaps discuss or encourage discussion about Julian Saluvescu’s latest ?
He’s the infanticide happy ethicist who’s saying that it’s a moral obligation to genetically modify embryos so that they develop into children who are “ethical”. By that he means that it’s an ethical obligation to stamp out among other psychological traits, an inclination for groupness. I suppose that he leaves the option of infanticide for kids for whom the genetic enhancement didn’t work out after all.
08/21/2012 at 1:09 AM (Edit)
@hbdchick @5:59: Yep, thinking as I do that I have a bit of the autitude, I have always been amused, bemused, and sometimes annoyed by the antics of the normal human social monkeys. For instance, I am not a “normal” visceral instinctive racist like most people, but an aesthetic and intellectual one. I don’t get along any better with my genetically quite similar immediate family than I do with any random Chinaman or Bantu. I just happen to think that white folks are better-looking than everybody else and also founded Western Civilization, which used to be synonymous with Christendom. I am a rather faithless person by nature, but I religiously (heh) attend traditional Anglican services every week, because, well, it is meet and right so to do.
08/21/2012 at 6:26 AM (Edit)
Just wanted to point you to some discussion and Peter Frost’s words on your stuff.
08/21/2012 at 9:53 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Just wanted to point you to some discussion and Peter Frost’s words on your stuff.”
08/23/2012 at 8:05 PM (Edit)
In case you haven’t seen it already, see here, echoing something I heard from somewhere, I don’t know where… ;)
08/29/2012 at 10:22 PM (Edit)
Check this out:
The Hidden Truths about Calories | Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network
A few nice HBD tidbits in there:
Humans vary in nearly all traits, whether height, skin color, or our guts. Back when it was the craze to measure such variety European scientists discovered that Russian intestines are about five feet longer than those of, say, Italians. This means that those Russians eating the same amount of food as the Italians likely get more out of it. Just why the Russians had (or have) longer intestines is an open question. Surely other peoples differ in their intestines too; intestines need more study, though I am not going to volunteer to do the dirty work. We also vary in terms of how much of particular enzymes we produce; the descendents of peoples who consumed lots of starchy food tend to produce more amylase, the enzyme that breaks down starch. Then there is the enzyme our bodies use to digest the lactose in milk, lactase. Many (some say most) adults are lactose deficient; they do not produce lactase and so do not break down the lactose in milk. As a result, even if they drink milk they receive far fewer calories from doing so than do individuals who produce lactase. Each of us gets a different number of calories out of identical foods because of who we are and who our ancestors were.
08/30/2012 at 10:52 PM (Edit)
@jayman – cool! (^_^)
WHAT is with the difference in intestinal length?! never heard that before, and that is … something! have they taken overall size differences into consideration do you know? i mean, large russian person vs. small mediterranean person — might just have more intestines due to that, no? still incredible, though!
(hmmm. now i’m hungry. (~_^) )
08/31/2012 at 11:46 AM (Edit)
“Back when it was the craze to measure such variety European scientists discovered that Russian intestines are about five feet longer than those of, say, Italians.”
I love that kind of stuff.
08/31/2012 at 12:53 PM (Edit)
@ Greying Wanderer. .” I love that kind of stuff.” I don’t know about bowel overall, but years ago I used to examine colons a lot. Most were pretty much the same size. Some were enormous, very long and broad. I do not remember a big one ever being symptomatic or showing a disease. Now I’m wondering whether any of them were Russian.
09/02/2012 at 2:29 PM (Edit)
The mystery of Etruscan origins: novel clues from Bos taurus mitochondrial DNA
09/04/2012 at 11:13 AM (Edit)
Hey hbd* chick:
Given the recent uptick in academic/administrative cheating scandals (including the latest one – at Harvard, no less) – I think you’ll find my blog post on possible factors interesting:
Opinion: Do Cheaters *Always* Win?
09/05/2012 at 12:00 PM (Edit)
Razib Khan has a post up about the relatedness of different siblings and other family members to each other:
Me & my 0.55 brother against my 0.45 brother | Gene Expression | Discover Magazine
In it he delves into something interesting:
But on a broader evolutionary scale, does this matter? Two of my siblings have a relatedness of 41%. In other words, as you can see in the histogram there is a wide variation in relatedness. Might this perhaps impact social relations? One can imagine genetically more similar siblings aligning against those who are dissimilar. Or not. I am skeptical that this would apply to humans, but I do wonder about organisms with larger broods. If we don’t find much variation on the scale of siblings, despite genetic variation (and therefore, likely phenotypic tells of similarity), then I would hazard to suggest that inclusive fitness is not quite the razor sharp discerning tool that some posit it is.
The histogram shows that about 95% of sibling variation is relatedness is between 40% and 60% range. Contra to his claims, I have read that grandparents do favor the grandchildren with whom they share the most genes (which can vary considerably). If we extend that to cousins, who may be more or less related to each other, and then again with consideration of the degree of inbreeding in the society, then this seems right up your alley…
09/05/2012 at 1:28 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “‘One can imagine genetically more similar siblings aligning against those who are dissimilar. Or not.’”
i guess razib doesn’t have a big enough extended family to have observed this extensively. (~_^) maybe you have to have 52 first cousins (like moi!) to really see this in action. let me tell you, there are more instances of similar siblings (judging by appearance and temperament) in my extended family aligning themselves together than not. even in my parents’ generation on my mother’s side it was four of them vs. two (still is) — and the four are like their father (my grandfather) while the two are like their mother (my grandmother). i think this definitely happens!
@jayman – “I have read that grandparents do favor the grandchildren with whom they share the most genes (which can vary considerably).”
yeah, cool stuff! i posted a while back about one such study related to grandmas. the researchers found that grandchild survival depended upon the presence of differently related grandmas (depending upon the differential inheritance of the x-chromosome). for example, grandsons did better with maternal than paternal grandmas, presumably ’cause they’re more related.
the researchers found quite some differences in the survival rates, though, in different populations and i wonder if different mating patterns in the populations that they looked at might have something to do with it. inbreeding in one direction or another (maternal or paternal cousin marriages) might tweak the grandmother-grandchildren degrees of relatedness even further, so that perhaps might explain the differences between populations that they found. dunno. just a thought. (^_^)
09/08/2012 at 10:44 PM (Edit)
Philip Roth Posts Angry Letter To Wikipedia To Get Error Fixed
09/09/2012 at 5:16 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Philip Roth Posts Angry Letter To Wikipedia To Get Error Fixed AP”
the story of what inspired roth to write The Human Stain is even wackier (believe it or not)! what an orwellian world we live in:
“Roth wrote in 2012 that the book was inspired ‘by an unhappy event in the life of my late friend Melvin Tumin, professor of sociology at Princeton for some thirty years’. Roth explained that Tumin had noticed that two students enrolled in one of his courses had never attended class. At mid-semester he asked the class about the missing students, saying ‘Does anyone know these people? Do they exist or are they spooks?’ Roth wrote:
“‘Almost immediately Mel was summoned by university authorities to justify his use of the word “spooks,” since the two missing students, as it happened, were both African-American, and “spooks” at one time in America was a pejorative designation for blacks, spoken venom milder than “nigger” but intentionally degrading nonetheless. A witch hunt ensued during the following months from which Professor Tumin—rather like Professor Silk in “The Human Stain”—emerged blameless but only after he had to provide a number of lengthy depositions declaring himself innocent of the charge of hate speech…’”
09/09/2012 at 6:17 AM (Edit)
“the story of what inspired roth to write The Human Stain is even wackier (believe it or not)! what an orwellian world we live in”
09/09/2012 at 6:33 AM (Edit)
See this post by Razib Khan on Italy (and Europe in general):
09/09/2012 at 7:29 AM (Edit)
Might be interesting to the readers:
Autism Spectrum Quotient
I scored 24 when I took it awhile back.
09/09/2012 at 8:42 AM (Edit)
@jayman – 33. (*^_^*) “32 – 50 is very high (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 35)”
the tough ones for me are anything that interrupts with my daily routine or not getting to pursue what i’m interested in. boy do those things make me cranky! (~_^) the worst is if my breakfast routine (breakfast+latte + drudge/steve sailer/other blogs) is disrupted. then the whole day is a disaster (mood wise).
and i like to collect information about different categories of things. i think i’ve saved half the internet by now! (~_^) (edit: i used to just save links, until i discovered that webpages sometimes disappear! disaster!! (~_^) )
09/09/2012 at 9:00 AM (Edit)
@ Jayman “I scored 24 when I took it awhile back.” I scored five. Oh, well. I supposed autism is just another of those things I’m not very good at.
09/09/2012 at 9:07 AM (Edit)
@linton – “I supposed autism is just another of those things I’m not very good at.”
(^_^) (^_^) (^_^)
i think i must now make you my reference person for all things non-autistic, linton. you must be the most neurotypical person i know! (^_^) (not that there’s anything wrong with that! (^_^) )
09/09/2012 at 9:30 AM (Edit)
@hbd chick “i think i must now make you my reference person for all things non-autistic!” Thanks. I wondered whether there was a use for somebody with a severe case of the ordinaries. Oddly, my life work, which involves lots of reading and lab routines and computer programing, would be better done by somebody with what I would call better work habits. Next incarnation, maybe.
09/09/2012 at 12:37 PM (Edit)
“Autism Spectrum Quotient”
16 for me. Mr Uber-average :)
“I would hazard to suggest that inclusive fitness is not quite the razor sharp discerning tool that some posit it is.”
“i guess razib doesn’t have a big enough extended family to have observed this extensively”
Yes, i’m thinking it’s an “on average” type of thing. I have a bro who’s effectively a twin in terms of personality but we look very different and another who is similar looking but chalk and cheese on personality but i think on average the personality genes and the appearance genes will coincide more often in the 55% bro than they will in the 45% bro.
I’m also wondering if it actually makes more sense for evolution to be a bit “fuzzy logic” about all this. If you have an organism who partly create their own environment through culture then although inclusive fitness makes logical sense as a, and maybe the main, driving force i think an optimal fail-safe system would include random dice rolls at least in terms of behavioral traits to prevent the possibility of populations heading into a dead end.
The reasoning behind thinking this is in pre-offshoring industrial working class neighborhoods, especially those that pre-date welfare, r-type behaviors (in r/K terms) had been massively squeezed and had a pretty extreme cultural taint applied.
(I think you could even see the rise of Methodism among the English working class as the creation of a culture neccessary to survive in the early industrial environment.)
However although r-type behaviors were marginalised they never went away completely even popping up occasionally in the families of the most K-type people.
The thing about that is when the steel plants etc were offshored those K-type behaviors suddenly become a massive handicap and the r-type behaviors flourished. Now i particularly dislike r-type behavior on a personal level but in terms of survival they have done a lot better in the last 30 years than the K-type people – and like i say some of the r-types spawned in K-type families. Similarly even in the most r-type populations you get K-type people struggling to do the best for their kids against all the odds – a marginalized minority maybe but they exist.
So basically i’m thinking 90% logical evolutionary process and 10% random dice rolls actually makes the logical part more efficient by providing a fail-safe.
09/09/2012 at 5:23 PM (Edit)
@Greying Wanderer “So basically i’m thinking 90% logical evolutionary process and 10% random dice rolls actually makes the logical part more efficient by providing a fail-safe.” That makes good sense. I like it. I think I’ve heard the idea somewhere before as the explanation as to why we have sex. The organsm keeps a lot of genetic material around that is unused and maybe not well adapted to the presen situation but during the shuffle of sexual reproduction that material may be manifest as a throwback. That would be quite adaptive if the environment were to revert to an earlier stage (like what the ding dong are we going to do when the current hich tech civilization implodes? Maybe a few Tarzan types will make it through.)
And of course extremely rarely the old abilities might be adaptive to a new environment. Take the iconic spear hunter. He must stay alert for hours, maybe days, be ready to respond instantly to a sudden danger, put up with hunger and thirst, plan his route far ahead, be able to use his spear as cunningly as if it were part of him and so forth. It’s the kind of thing you need driving a car a long distance, more so back before the interstate system of course.
09/09/2012 at 6:28 PM (Edit)
“The organsm keeps a lot of genetic material around that is unused and maybe not well adapted to the presen situation but during the shuffle of sexual reproduction that material may be manifest as a throwback.”
Yes, exactly – store it all somewhere just in case it comes in useful in the future.
09/09/2012 at 9:07 PM (Edit)
I scored 27 on that Autism Spectrum Quotient assessment (above average)…I’d say it’s just about right.
09/10/2012 at 12:41 PM (Edit)
“the tough ones for me are anything that interrupts with my daily routine or not getting to pursue what i’m interested in. boy do those things make me cranky! (~_^)”
I hate having my routine messed with. After all, it’s a good routine, it took me several years to perfect it! ;)
“the worst is if my breakfast routine (breakfast+latte + drudge/steve sailer/other blogs) is disrupted. then the whole day is a disaster (mood wise).”
I have the same thing for breakfast every day (bowl of cereal + random protein + orange drink of some sort). Indeed, I can’t even imagine the day without it.
“and i like to collect information about different categories of things. i think i’ve saved half the internet by now! (~_^) (edit: i used to just save links, until i discovered that webpages sometimes disappear! disaster!! (~_^) )”
I never really developed a good system of dealing with bookmarks (pages of interests gets lost in long lists of bookmarks). Instead, I’ve come up with ways of remembering where I’ve read things and searching for them later.
This list here describes me perfectly (except that I am able to come up with stuff on the fly more often now). Though it describes introverts, it’s interesting how much of it seems to apply to the autism spectrum. Do introversion and autism have things in common, or do they simply tend to be associated?
09/11/2012 at 3:14 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “I scored 24 when I took it awhile back.”
@linton – “I scored five.”
@g.w. – “16 for me. Mr Uber-average :)”
@nelson – “I scored 27″
i win!!!!!!! (^_^) (or: i guess i’m as odd as i always suspected…. (~_^) )
09/11/2012 at 3:20 PM (Edit)
@linton – “The organsm keeps a lot of genetic material around that is unused and maybe not well adapted to the presen situation but during the shuffle of sexual reproduction that material may be manifest as a throwback. That would be quite adaptive if the environment were to revert to an earlier stage….”
@g.w. – “Yes, exactly – store it all somewhere just in case it comes in useful in the future.”
09/11/2012 at 3:27 PM (Edit)
@g.w. – i feel so sorry for those hoarder ladies (and they’re usually women, aren’t they?). =/
when i was a kid, there was a house in our neighborhood that was obviously inhabited by a hoarder. when you looked in the front window (there were no curtains) — and it was a big window something like this — there was literally junk piled up to the ceiling. i have no idea (being like 9 or 10 at the time) if anyone tried to help the person. i’ll have to ask my mom.
09/11/2012 at 3:39 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “I never really developed a good system of dealing with bookmarks (pages of interests gets lost in long lists of bookmarks).”
oh, yes! i know that problem. a list of bookmarks so long that it becomes unusable. (~_^)
i’ve got a technique now of saving bookmarks (URLs) in notepad files — i’ve got a couple of different ones for different topics. it’s a little bit of work, but once you get used to it (copying & pasting URLs/titles of pages), then it’s a handy, easily searchable resource. at least i think so. (^_^)
@jayman – “Do introversion and autism have things in common, or do they simply tend to be associated?”
i think maybe all (nearly all?) auties/aspies are introverts, but not all introverts are on the autistic spectrum. something like that.
you’ve seen the now classic Caring for Your Introvert, i hope! (^_^) definitely a link to send to anyone you know who needs to learn about what you are. (^_^) this paragraph still makes me giggle:
“The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books—written, no doubt, by extroverts—regard declining to banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when perhaps an Introverts’ Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it will not be impolite to say ‘I’m an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush.’”
(^_^) (^_^) (^_^)
09/11/2012 at 4:26 PM (Edit)
It has it’s own name :)
“i feel so sorry for those hoarder ladies”
yes you get the feeling they lost something particularly important once and never got over it
“(and they’re usually women, aren’t they?). =/”
hmm, not sure
09/11/2012 at 4:42 PM (Edit)
@g.w – “hmm, not sure”
i used to work with (a very quirky, so i liked him a lot!) guy who, according to co-workers, was a hoarder. but a very tidy one, apparently. i was never in his apartment, but by all accounts, there were stacks of things (magazines, books, photos, but also other stuff like board games and jigsaw puzzles and clothes and … just everything!) up to the ceiling … but there were orderly pathways through the piles so he could get around his place.
he was gay, though, so … effeminate.
09/11/2012 at 6:04 PM (Edit)
“he was gay, though, so … effeminate.”
heh, that could be it. i’ve come across both male and female but can’t remember the proportions.
09/13/2012 at 12:41 PM (Edit)
“you’ve seen the now classic Caring for Your Introvert, i hope! (^_^) definitely a link to send to anyone you know who needs to learn about what you are.”
No, I haven’t seen that one, but I have seen things like it. Thanks!
“(^_^) this paragraph still makes me giggle:”
“The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves.”
Yes, indeed, for a long time, I have always been fascinated by the amount of fluff that most conversations people engage in contain. If I can’t direct what’s being said into something funny, or onto a topic of actual substance, then I quickly get rather bored. Fortunately, I discovered that most people’s #1 favorite topic of discussion is themselves, so if you give them that chance, all will be fine.
I would say that Anglos are more extroverted than most other Europeans, as it seems that in Europe society gets more introverted as you go east and north. It makes it hard to be introverted in America… ;)
09/16/2012 at 10:35 AM (Edit)
Inbreeding strikes again:
PRAGUE — The Czech Republic has taken an unprecedented emergency measure and banned the sale of spirits with more than 20 percent alcohol content as it battles a wave of methanol poisonings that has already killed 19 people.
Heger said the ban could possibly take weeks. It is estimated that up to 20 percent of all the liquor in restaurants across the country is likely made on the black market
That the death toll from the poisonings reached 19 Friday after a 66-year-old woman was found dead in the northeastern city of Havirov and the first person was hospitalized in Prague also prompted the minister to take the step, Heger said in a brief statement late
Dozens of people have been hospitalized, some in critical condition after drinking vodka and rum laced with methanol. The problem has appeared largely centered in northeastern Czech Republic.
Methanol is mainly used for industrial purposes, but unscrupulous criminal networks sometimes misuse it to illegally produce cheap liquor because it’s cheap and impossible to distinguish from real drinking alcohol.
09/17/2012 at 4:52 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “Dozens of people have been hospitalized, some in critical condition after drinking vodka and rum laced with methanol. The problem has appeared largely centered in northeastern Czech Republic.”
oops. not good. =/
somewhere i’ve got a quote — lord knows where i put it — about how a lot of the “human trafficking” coming out of eastern europe/the balkans is run by extended families/clans (including the women in those families). i’ll have to try to dig it up.
09/17/2012 at 10:06 PM (Edit)
“Oh, John Ringo, No!” Look that up , Ma’am, it is quite funny in a somewhat creepy way, if one is of the female persuasion.
09/17/2012 at 10:22 PM (Edit)
On introversion vs. extraversion when it comes to autism, I think that extravert auties are more likely to get their asses kicked when they are kids, than are introvert auties, who tend to hide out. I believe that I am one of the latter.
09/17/2012 at 11:53 PM (Edit)
09/18/2012 at 8:22 PM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “I think that extravert auties are more likely to get their asses kicked when they are kids, than are introvert auties, who tend to hide out. I believe that I am one of the latter.”
me, too. although the quiet ones do get beaten up occasionally, too. =/ (my take-no-nonsense mother got the police after them. they never even looked at me again. (^_^) )
09/18/2012 at 8:23 PM (Edit)
@g.w. – re. the swedish height thing — cool! thnx.
09/20/2012 at 6:19 PM (Edit)
Check this out (also in the Twitter feed, as with a lot of cool things I run across):
Will Humans Eventually All Look Like Brazilians? – Yahoo! News
09/21/2012 at 2:00 AM (Edit)
HBDChick — on clans: you might be interested in the HBD at work in the recent murders of two policewomen in Manchester, England. Guns and grenades were used, which is pretty unusual by English standards. The murders arose from a feud:
Police investigating the deaths of two officers in Greater Manchester have called for an end to a feud between “criminal families”.
The suspect is called Dale Cregan:
The Irish surname Cregan has two possible origins. While it is certain that Creegan (a variant of Cregan) of Connacht is an anglicized form of the Gaelic O’Croidheagain, it would appear possible that Cregan of Munster and Leinster is an anglicized form of MacRiagain. The prefix “O” in O’Croidheagain signifies “grandson of” or “descendent” and indicates patronymic origin of the name, while the first name is derived from the Irish word “croidhe”, meaning heart…
Another famous crime family in Manchester is discussed here:
Dominic Noonan (born 1966) is an English organised crime figure. Dominic Noonan, with his brother Desmond “Dessie” Noonan, headed a criminal organisation or “crime firm” in Manchester, England during the 1980s and 1990s and is a member of one of Manchester’s most infamous crime families. Noonan has more than 40 convictions for a wide range of offences including armed robbery, police assault, possession of firearms, prison escape and fraud and has spent 22 years in prisons across Britain. Although Noonan is alleged to have been involved in a number of gangland murders, he has never been convicted.[
Noonan/Nunan is the anglicized modern form of the well-attested Irish surname Ó Núanáin, which in turn appears to be descended through the Middle-Irish family name O’hIonmhaineáin from the Early-Irish Ua Nemhnainn, the cognomen of one of the three battalions of the 3rd-century Fianna Érieann.
Manchester = Clanchester.
09/21/2012 at 4:41 AM (Edit)
@Jayman “Will Humans Eventually All Look Like Brazilians” Your link appears to start out ast the usual hate mail. By the end it’s clear that the writer has no clue about the fertility inplications of us all trying to homogenize humanity. I shall try to get a message to Natalie. I doubt I get a reaction.
09/23/2012 at 7:33 AM (Edit)
Be sure to check out some of the stuff in my Tweets. There’s lots of cool stuff in there that might be of interest to you, particularly for your linkfest that’s due, including an interesting post by Nelson.
Also, see Peter Frost’s blog… ;)
09/23/2012 at 9:45 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “…particularly for your linkfest that’s due….”
fyi: i have to confess to putting together the sunday linkfest posts on saturday evenings. (like i’d ever be up early enough on a sunday — or any day! — to get it ready for a 9:00 a.m. posting. ha! (~_^) )
i’ll go check out your tweets, tho…. (^_^)
09/23/2012 at 9:52 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Also, see Peter Frost’s blog… ;)”
hey! nice map! (^_^) (^_^) (^_^)
09/23/2012 at 9:59 AM (Edit)
@candid k9 – “…the recent murders of two policewomen in Manchester, England.”
i saw that. that was pretty awful. =/
@candid k9 – “The murders arose from a feud: Police investigating the deaths of two officers in Greater Manchester have called for an end to a feud between ‘criminal families’.”
interesting! anybody know if these “criminal families” are some of those irish travellers? or are they just irish mafioso types? either way, not the sort of people you want in your country! =/
@candid k9 – “Manchester = Clanchester.”
09/23/2012 at 11:20 AM (Edit)
@jayman – from the brazilian article: “an archetype for the future of humanity, Stearns said: A few centuries from now, we’re all going to look like Brazilians.”
i wonder if he means the entire planet or just americans, ’cause i have a hard time picturing how it could work on a global level with 7+ billion people — over the long-term. what i mean is, you’d have to keep shuffling the 7+ billion people around — forever — going forward, otherwise you’d just wind up with new enclaves of special looking/behaving people (whatever they’d look/behave like in the future).
i guess what i’m saying is that, eventually, one would run into some large logistical problems.
09/23/2012 at 12:32 PM (Edit)
see announcement about open thread backup. (^_^)
09/23/2012 at 8:38 PM (Edit)
@JayMan: thanks for the mention! You might’ve already seen this, but The Audacious Epigone’s latest blog post referenced your work.
On “Hispanics”: looks like Ann Coulter added some fuel to the fire; the Hispanic/Mexican conflation continues. :(
This is getting interesting – and may motivate me to publish future blog posts on the subject…
09/25/2012 at 5:09 AM (Edit)
Check this out. Seems Singapore wants the Tiger Moms to retract their claws:
Tiger mothers in Singapore: Losing her stripes? | The Economist
Here’s the rationale:
But the anxiety behind the comments is that hard-studying Singaporeans lack creativity and an ability to think laterally. This is now seen as a competitive disadvantage in what are often called “knowledge economies”, where innovation and inventiveness are at a premium. Are the tiger mothers, Mr Lee seems to be wondering, now putting Singapore’s future prosperity at risk?
But I thought that the Singaporeans were HBD-aware? If so, they’d know that East Asians were at a disadvantage when it comes to creativity vs Europeans (possibly related to a lack of genes for traits such as bipolarity, ADD, and schizophrenia—all traits that boost creativity). But, nice to see this advice in lieu of the truth about the effectiveness of parenting (there isn’t much), but do we really expect parents there to change their ways much in that hyper-competitive society?
09/27/2012 at 1:00 PM (Edit)
About the recent turmoil in Spain, I just spoke to a friend of mine from there, and let’s just say she’s rippin’ mad (strong anti-German, and anti-French sentiment). It sounds like she’s ready rumble. She chose to quit her job than work under the increasing harsh “austerity” measures that you and I know won’t accomplish much.
I’m not so sure that the EU will last much longer. I just hope that when it goes down that it doesn’t take our economy with it…
09/27/2012 at 1:15 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “I just hope that when it goes down that it doesn’t take our economy with it…”
i was just reading about spain today. the catalans want OUT — of spain, which is interesting, but maybe not so much the e.u. they seem more pro-e.u. than other spaniards, anyway. that’s the impression i’ve got. -??-
i think that, ultimately, the crashing and burning of the e.u. and the euro will take down the u.s. economy, too (and the chinese one as well) — maybe not at first, though. investors will be looking to invest their cash somewhere, and they may very well turn to the u.s. dollar — at least for a while. i mean, historically the dollar has always been a good bet, and old habits die hard. but our economy is in such a mess — the dollar is in such a mess — that i think it has to go down, too — eventually. =/
i do, though, look forward to the e.u. imploding. you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. (~_^) and a complete lack of and disregard for democracy. i do not look forward to the after-effects of its crash. =/
09/27/2012 at 6:27 PM (Edit)
I’ve seen various claims on what influences human fertility here. What I think might be interesting: a contest in which folks would predict just who would reproduce-and under what conditions. Basically track individuals over their lifetime.
Predictions might be in the form of _models_ or specific prediction about specific individuals. The point of the contest is to compare different models and different predictors.
I think that there are people who might make different decisions if they knew just whats the consequences of their decisions were. Eventually I’d like to see a calculator online(maybe a subscription service) that would explain to folks just what the impact of their decisions-or those of their children-are having on their anticipated fertility.
09/27/2012 at 6:47 PM (Edit)
“i think that, ultimately, the crashing and burning of the e.u. and the euro will take down the u.s. economy, too (and the chinese one as well) — maybe not at first, though. investors will be looking to invest their cash somewhere, and they may very well turn to the u.s. dollar — at least for a while. i mean, historically the dollar has always been a good bet, and old habits die hard. but our economy is in such a mess — the dollar is in such a mess — that i think it has to go down, too — eventually. =/”
Yes. I’ve told many people that the dirty little secret is that there will be no real lasting economic recovery: welcome to the new normal. Too many factors are conspiring against it, factors that the people in charge don’t seem to be addressing.
I’m hoping investment in the $US will stave off the problems of the likely slow collapse of the EU. But this is tough because a lot of players have a lot to lose (China, Russia, in addition to us).
But, of course, said collapse may not be so slow, because an explosive event could easily hasten the process. Here’s some happily volunteered quotes from my friend, (she’s from Galicia, BTW):
I hope it’s headed to a fight, that’s the only way of getting back what Merkel and her French friends have stolen from us.
They are draining our very blood from our veins.
I’m going to lose my job in some weeks because I didn’t accept the “new conditions” offered by the company. I’d rather die standing than live on my knees.
They are lowering the salaries and extending the working hours and reducing staff drastically and treating us like sh*t. I made my point loud and clear and I’m not the only one.
The European Union wants the southern countries to be the whore of the northern ones. We have the resources to live by ourselves. We don’t need any flea sucking our blood.
And if they are seeking blood, that’s probably what they are going to find.
They are turning the Mediterranean countries into a European version of the Third World…to furnish cheap workers…to look at them from a lower position and accept any imposition just because it comes from them. They are depriving the country from all its resources but they are probably forgetting a very important detail: people become brave when they don’t have anything left to lose…
Now if that sentiment is at all typical of what’s going on over there, things could be headed south, quick…
If there is an upside, this is all an experiment in HBD, as both we get to see the limitations of different peoples in the economic ability and their willingness to conform to standards imposed by the outside.
09/27/2012 at 7:29 PM (Edit)
On another note, new blog post on sexism and discrimination: Leaks in the Pipeline Found?
09/28/2012 at 4:44 AM (Edit)
@hbdchick regarding EU ” and a complete lack of and disregard for democracy.” You are absolutely right and absolutley the only one I have ever known to say it. Well done.
09/28/2012 at 5:14 AM (Edit)
@nomoreh 1b “Eventually I’d like to see a calculator online(maybe a subscription service) that would explain to folks just what the impact of their decisions-or those of their children-are having on their anticipated fertility.” That’s a great idea. It would make money, which means people would notice.
Here’s a link:
The posting goes on and on and points out the catastrophe this will lead to, but for your purposes the the Icelandic graphs are all you need. You’ll wand to ferret out the original paper, of course. But from that point on it should be pretty straighforward. Let us know when you get rich.
09/28/2012 at 5:24 AM (Edit)
@JayMan “there will be no real lasting economic recovery: welcome to the new normal. Too many factors ” True. And the one factor that is absolutely irresistable is the demographic one. No babies. No future. Sure fertility has leveled off some in the rich word. But it has leveled off at a lethally low level. There is a lot of money in the world still, but it won’t buy babies. For that you need third cousin marriages. Well maybe we don’t need THAT many babies, but if there is a solution then the solution is to move in that direction. There is a very serious question in my mind whether it is too late already. But I have little doubt that it is never going to happen.
09/28/2012 at 11:23 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “I’d rather die standing than live on my knees.”
that’s the spirit! (^_^) i wish her the best — and all the people in galicia — and spain — and southern europe — and northern europe. h*ck — i wish everybody the best! (^_^)
you know, on the one hand, i know that the piigs have fed happily at the e.u. trough for many years now, and are all corrupt to one degree or another — i know this because my people are in that group of piigs, so i know how it is — and so i also know that they HAVE to cut back. they have to follow through with this austerity stuff because otherwise their economies are not going to work. (well, what they all really need to do is to stop being so corrupt and start paying their taxes, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon….)
otoh, i also know that the leaders in all those countries — and very much the leaders of the e.u. — are also corrupt with questionable ties to the banks and the world of finance (just like our leaders), so i very much relate to your galician friend’s attitude. our so-called leaders are scr*wing us — why should we just sit back and take it? VOTE ‘EM OUT!
@jayman – “she’s from Galicia, BTW”
cool! one of a handful of places i’ve always wanted to go to (but haven’t made it to … yet).
09/28/2012 at 11:29 AM (Edit)
@linton – “You are absolutely right and absolutley the only one I have ever known to say it. Well done.”
oh, you need to hang around on some european blogs some more. (~_^) check out daniel hannan @the telegraph, uk, for example.
09/29/2012 at 4:26 PM (Edit)
Here you go. Linton, you’ll also be interested in this:
Inbreeding Impression: Why inbreeding isn’t as bad as you think
09/29/2012 at 5:10 PM (Edit)
@JayMan “Here you go. Linton, you’ll also be interested in this:” And how! Thank you so very much. I followed the link to the essay by Alasdair Wilkins. Mostly he’s right. But he admits that classical Medelian genetics simply does not account for the reproductive advantage of third cousins. What’s more, he says quite cheerfully that accumulatinb inbreeding over multpile generations produces more bad effects from inbreeding, while providing a nifty diagram that proves that this cannot be true from the Mendelian perspective. He starts out tith a family of 2 parents, each with a recessive. So that’s fifty percent mutants. There are four children, one of whom we consider lost to the homozygous recessive deletrious gene. The three remaining have 6 alleles, two of which are the deleterious recessive. So the incidence of the gene is a third rather than a half. Successive inbred generations would reduce that futher.
And yet there is poor inbred Charles II of Spain. Somebody on this site said trenchantly, “data is not the pleural of anecdote.” But let’s accept him as an inbreeding horror show. His disabilites are unlikely to be genetic after that much inbreeding, so they have to be epigenetic(having to do with the control of genes). I have a computer model of epigenetic effects, and sure enough, there is a Goldilox zone. Too much inbreeding and too little are both bad.
In fact some folks did a study of inbred plants. When the seeds were grown in a medium that contained a demethylating agent (which would eliminate a lot of epigenetic effect) they grew into plants as healthy as the best. QED I should think. I shall take occasion to write Dr. Wilkins, but I can tell you how he will react. He will ignore it.
Again many thanks for the great reference.
09/29/2012 at 11:05 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert And yet there is poor inbred Charles II of Spain.
The Hapsburg gene pool was actually somewhat diverse. They were Emperors with territory all over Europe, and intermarried with many kingdoms, picking up a lot of interesting genes.
The Hapsburg motto was:
‘Bella gerant alii, tu, felix Austria, nube!’
If you don’t know Greek, that means:
‘Let others wage wars, but you, happy Austria, marry’
Which means they expanded their territory by marrying daughters of sonless families and inheriting their land.
Inbreeding coefficient of Charles II is: 0.254
Charles II family tree:
The first Hapsburg was a Guntram the Rich in 950, a count on the Swiss-German border, a long way from Spain.
They intermarried into other kingdoms and by 1300, they had territories around Vienna and Zurich.
In 1437 a Hapsburg married the daughter of Holy Roman Emperor and acquired Bohemia and Hungary.
Ernest, Duke of Austria married Cymburgis of Masovia. Cymburgis of Masovia introduced Hapsburg jaw into the Hapsburg dynasty. She was born in Warsaw. Her mother’s brother was the king of Poland.
In 1452 their son Frederick III married Eleanor of Portugal, from Portugal.
Their son Maximilian I married Mary of Burgundy (a Valois) and acquired the low countries in 1477.
Their son Philip I married Queen Joanna of Castile, from Spain.
Three of their children would be ancestors of Charles II in a non branching tree.
The three children:
1. One son married Isabella of Portugal a first cousin.
2. Second son married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary. She was the daughter of Vladislaus II who’s father was King Casimir IV of Poland and Great Duke of Lithuania.
3. One daughter married Christian II King of Denmark and Norway.
So, we have relatives from Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain, Burgundy, and Denmark.
The Spanish Habsburg dynasty went extinct in 1700.
The Role of Inbreeding in the Extinction of a European Royal Dynasty
It is speculated that the simultaneous occurrence in Charles II of two different genetic disorders: combined pituitary hormone deficiency and distal renal tubular acidosis, determined by recessive alleles at two unlinked loci
09/30/2012 at 5:08 AM (Edit)
@sNOOPY”So, we have relatives from Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain, Burgundy, and Denmark.” So I take it that Charles was not, in fact, inbred. Interesting indeed. That’s not what I usually hear. But I don’t think there’s any doubt that inbreeding depression is real.
BTW you are right, my Greek is limited. However I didn’t have much trouble understanding that motto, so I suspect it’s Latin. :o)
09/30/2012 at 9:07 AM (Edit)
@linton – “I don’t think there’s any doubt that inbreeding depression is real.”
inbreeding depression is real (from what i understand), but inbreeding+selection can lead to good things. that, after all, is how we get thoroughbreds, right? or, if cochran, hardy & harpending are right, high iqs in ashkenazi jews.
09/30/2012 at 10:17 AM (Edit)
@hbdchick “inbreeding depression is real (from what i understand), but inbreeding+selection can lead to good things” Oh absolutely. The cracker horse people here in Florida have a saying, “Inbreeding is line breeding that goes badly; line breeding is inbeeding that goes well.”
09/30/2012 at 7:44 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert — So I take it that Charles was not, in fact, inbred.
I wasn’t trying to say he wasn’t inbred.
If the Spanish royals of the 1500s had actually been inbred, they would have been fine. Instead they exogamously married the German-Austrian Holy Roman Emperor for political reasons. From them they received the habsburg-jaw. If you marry someone from the other valley, you get to share their genetic diseases that may be unknown in your own valley.
I think royal houses as having a reputation as being exemplars of inbreeding is exaggerated. They marry for political reasons, and establish an interconnected network of marriages all over Europe, as opposed to following a fbd system or having any concern at all for the genetic relationship of matches. If there is a period of close inbreeding, it is a byproduct of the political situation making close relatives the best choice at that particular time.
Contrast this with their subjects who might have been marrying within same village for 500 years or longer. Charles II of Spain ruled over the Basques who have been isolated long enough that the basque word for axe includes the root word for rock.
An aristocrat would have been much more outbred than the commoners around him.
09/30/2012 at 8:35 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert –
Interesting article on ideal population size:
Role of inbreeding depression and purging in captive
breeding and restoration programmes
Purging mildly deleterious recessives by drift
would be ineffective at very large or small populations;
highest effectiveness was observed at populations contain-
ing several hundred individuals in the examples provided
by Glémin (2003).
09/30/2012 at 8:49 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert — BTW you are right, my Greek is limited. However I didn’t have much trouble understanding that motto, so I suspect it’s Latin. :o)
Right, Greeks are the ones that write with algebra symbols instead of letters.
09/30/2012 at 11:31 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert — So I take it that Charles was not, in fact, inbred.
My point is not that he wasn’t inbred.
A period of inbreeding is worse for a family who has outbred ancestors, because they picked up more bad recessives (such as hands with only 5 fingers) in their travels.
A period of inbreeding would be less worse for a family with inbred ancestors because bad recessives have been weeded out already.
He was inbred, but he was a royal house whose ancestors would regularly travel a thousand miles to get married. They would also marry for political reasons with no concern for any relatedness scheme (like FBD).
If one of his subjects, a Basque family, whose ancestors married in the same village for a thousand years were to go through a phase of close inbreeding similar to Charles II family tree, they would be less likely to have bad recessives coming together because their gene pool has fewer bad recessives in it because they were expressed and removed by a period of long inbreeding. They had their own Charles II’s a thousand years ago.
Which is to say an outbred family is carrying around more unexpressed bad recessives around with him than an inbred family is. If they both start doing consanguinity, the outbred family is going to have more risk of bad recessives coming together.
An investigation of inbreeding depression and purging in captive pedigreed populations
since inbreeding increases the frequency of the deleterious homozygous genotype, selection against deleterious alleles is also increased during inbreeding, thereby providing an opportunity for a population to be ‘purged’ of its mutational load. Following purging, the fitness levels of the population may increase, possibly returning to or even exceeding those of a large, randomly mating population
inbred animals with inbred ancestry will be less susceptible to inbreeding depression than inbred animals with non-inbred ancestry as those inbred ancestors that are able to survive and to reproduce will be less likely to be carriers of deleterious alleles
ancestral inbreeding is able to significantly mitigate inbreeding depression.
10/01/2012 at 4:43 AM (Edit)
@sNOOPy “ancestral inbreeding is able to significantly mitigate inbreeding depression” Thank you for clarifying. That makes sense from a classical Mendelian standpoint. There is also evidence of an epigenetic mechanism, but that does not conflict with what you just said.
10/01/2012 at 4:45 AM (Edit)
@sNOOPy “Greeks are the ones that write with algebra symbols instead of letters.” lol
10/03/2012 at 5:22 PM (Edit)
The naked truth about inbreeding (couldn’t resist):
Commissioner Marlene Ross’s Nude Photos To Cousin Lover Prompt Boynton Beach Blackmail Probe
10/04/2012 at 8:03 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “The naked truth about inbreeding….”
10/04/2012 at 8:04 AM (Edit)
@linton – “The cracker horse people here in Florida have a saying, ‘Inbreeding is line breeding that goes badly; line breeding is inbeeding that goes well.’“
i love that! i’m gonna use that. (^_^)
10/12/2012 at 11:07 AM (Edit)
This is entirely off-topic, but might cheer up some people.
http://www.nukelies.org presents evidence that nuclear weapons are, and always have been, a hoax. Nuclear power is probably also a fake. Maybe people will survive….
(I agree with justthisguy, a few months back, that it’s a pity there are so few intellectual women – my paraphrase)
10/12/2012 at 11:36 AM (Edit)
Right, because these are Photoshopped:
The 50th anniversary of Starfish Prime: the nuke that shook the world | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
Water bomb | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
10/14/2012 at 7:08 AM (Edit)
The French, huh:
“A Declaration of War” – From the Youth of France – (English subs)
10/16/2012 at 11:38 AM (Edit)
@rerevisionist – jayman said: “Seriously, man…”
yeah, seriously. please don’t fill my comments threads with nonsense, thankuverymuch.
10/16/2012 at 11:50 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “The French, huh”
yeah, i saw that. the peasants are revolting…? oops.
10/17/2012 at 12:08 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
A Whole New World | JayMan’s Blog
10/19/2012 at 4:29 PM (Edit)
I know this is unrelated to the recent discussion, but there’s a new wave in the education “reform” front – homework reform! Some familiar trends emerge…
Down With Homework? A Look at a New Front in Education “Reform” :: Concourse Expressions
10/19/2012 at 4:43 PM (Edit)
@nelson – “Some familiar trends emerge…”
yup. if we just eliminate all tests and homework, no child will be left behind! yipee!
10/19/2012 at 4:44 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “A Whole New World”
so when do we leave? (^_^)
10/19/2012 at 5:41 PM (Edit)
@hbd* chick: yep, no child will be left behind…but then no child will get ahead either. But hey, who gives a crap as long as outcomes are equal, right? :\
10/21/2012 at 2:54 AM (Edit)
Sam Houston’s last public speech, from an hotel window in Galveston, on April 19, 1861:
“Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I beliieve with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union.
They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche, and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.”
Sam was quite the Pessimistic Realist.
His prediction came true, and I do deplore what happened, but the proudest boast I can make about my family is that all four of my Great-Grandfathers fought honorably against the United States of America.
We may have lost the fight, but you damn betcha we gave a good account of ourselves!
10/21/2012 at 4:43 AM (Edit)
@Justhistguy “We may have lost the fight, but you damn betcha we gave a good account of ourselves!” Thanks. I had family on both sides. The northern side didn’t get involved until Lee reached Gettysburg, and a great grandfather there look his militia against JEB Stuart and executed what he called, “A brilliant retreat if a little faster than would have been desirable” half way across the state. But as Houston said, he stuck it out and was there at Appomattox Court House. On the Southern side a great grand uncle took his led into the Peach Orchard and took such withering fire the line bent into a hairpin. Others said, “They marched out as if on parade.” So why is it that I only choke up when I think about my Southern ancestors?
10/21/2012 at 8:54 AM (Edit)
Linton, you answered that question in the asking of it. Any thinking Southern man knew we had only a slight chance of winning, but participated anyway, hoping that valor would overcome cold-blooded crushing Puritanical industrial superiority. I must get my copy of “Albion’s Seed” back from that guy I lent it to.
Did you know that the first flag put up by U.S. Marines over Shuri Castle in Okinawa was the Confederate Battle Flag? (In the Second World War, the Mississippi, or crazy, branch of my family all went into the Marines, but the Georgia, or nerdy, branch, all went into the USAAF. My Dad , from GA, got to be a bit of a War Criminal by working for Curtis LeMay on Saipan.)
10/21/2012 at 11:38 AM (Edit)
@Justhisguy “we had only a slight chance of winning” It was a matter of principle, wasn’t it? The First American War or sessecion was supposed to establish the principle that the government served with the consent of the governed, and if it did not serve the purposes of the goverened they were free, indeed obliged, to change it. On my father’s side the family had stopped farming and pretty much become preachers, but Chesley – the guy at the Peach Orchard – was from South Carolina and joined with the first wave. He fought almost to the end. On my mother’s side we were sturdy dirt farmers near Gettyburg. No interest in industry. We still work the same farm. On that side of the family the only subsequent milliatry action was an uncle who was supposed to fly belly gunner in WW II over Germany, but the belly guns were a death trap and were removed. So his only job was when the bomb mechanism jammed he had to go down to the bomb bay and stand on a six inch wide strip of metal and kick the bombs loose. Said it was scary. Couldn’t count the times he wet himself over Berlin. We was a descendant, straight male line, from the man who got the boats together for Washington to use crossing the Deleware. On Daddy’s side, he was the only one who got into the millitary. Intelligence. He never told us what he did but he had more medals than Normal Schwarzkopf.
That first American flag over Okinawa makes sense. Doubt we ever see it on the history channel. Wow.
10/21/2012 at 11:49 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “Sam Houston’s last public speech, from an hotel window in Galveston….”
great quote! thnx. (^_^)
10/21/2012 at 12:00 PM (Edit)
@linton – “The First American War or sessecion was supposed to establish the principle that the government served with the consent of the governed, and if it did not serve the purposes of the goverened they were free, indeed obliged, to change it.”
i grew up amongst the northerners, and despite never hearing anything along the lines of “the war of northern aggression” until i was an adult, i remember getting into a fierce argument with my sixth-grade history teacher when we were learning about the civil war, ’cause i couldn’t see why the southern states shouldn’t have been permitted to secede (she kept insisting it wasn’t allowed) — ’cause we had JUST finished learning about the u.s. constitution a week or two earlier, and i couldn’t recall ANY clause saying that states were not allowed to leave the union. (~_^) boy, was she mad at me — the usually quiet, well-behaved girl in the front row who suddenly became such a nuisance. (^_^)
10/21/2012 at 12:13 PM (Edit)
@hbd chick “i couldn’t recall ANY clause saying that states were not allowed to leave the union” You started thinking for yourself right early. And you know something that boggles my mind? The European Union was put together without any mechanism for countries to leave without a war. And they got a Nobel PEACE prize? A whole continent gone mad. Must be inbreeding, eh?
10/21/2012 at 8:40 PM (Edit)
@Linton: “The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner” has been one of my favorite poems since I was a little kid. Curiously, the ball turret turns out to have been statistically the safest position in the bombers, with fewest casualties. The ball turret was a creepy fighting position, though, with one’s ass and privates pointed right at the enemy, protected only by a small thin piece of armor.
John Derbyshire has a recording of himself reading the poem, on his website.
10/21/2012 at 9:22 PM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert –
The First American War or sessecion was supposed to establish the principle that the government served with the consent of the governed, and if it did not serve the purposes of the goverened they were free, indeed obliged, to change it.
consent of the governed
Which is to say by a majority vote of people within the boundary of a district.
Wealth transfer via taxation cannot cross the border of a district.
A citizen of San Diego can vote to raise taxes on a citizen in Boston because they are both in the same country. He cannot raise taxes on a citizen of Tijuana, because they are in different countries.
A voter, being a rational agent, will do the rational thing and try to have taxation emphasized on other people, and have spending emphasized on his own people.
In 1850′s, tariffs were 90% of Federal revenue, and the South paid 75% of the tariffs. This with 20% of of the country’s free population.
Federal tax per capita ratio of free Southerner to Northener was 12:1.
Because the north had a majority in the legislature, they could have taxation burden others more than themselves. For example the 1828 ‘Tariff of Abomination’:
North: for 102 against 44
south for 3 against 50
Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Also, because the North had a majority in the legislature, they could have the Federal budget spent for the benefit of the North, like railroads. The Confederate constitution mentions this specifically:
nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry
neither this, nor any other clause…shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce;
By seceding, they would be in a different country from Northern voters, and not able to be taxed by them. An invisible line on the map would be drawn, impervious to the movement of tariff revenues.
Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton, 1828
Virginia, the two Carolinas, and Georgia, may be said to defray three-fourths of the annual expense of supporting the Federal Government; and of this great sum, annually furnished by them, nothing or next to nothing is returned to them, in the shape of Government expenditures. That expenditure flows in an opposite direction – it flows northwardly, in one uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream.
No taxation with (others) representation.
made by the consent of the people (excepting those people)
10/22/2012 at 3:53 AM (Edit)
@justhisguy “The ball turret was a creepy fighting position” I had never hear that there were fewer deaths ub the ball turret. Perhaps the position gave the gunner a little added motivation. I’ll check out that poem. Thanks.
10/22/2012 at 4:00 AM (Edit)
@sNoOOPy “That expenditure flows in an opposite direction – it flows northwardly, in one uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream.No taxation with (others) representation.made by the consent of the people (excepting those people)” Thanks Wow. I had no idea. Do you suppose the ongoing disintegration of Europe has something like that at root?
10/23/2012 at 11:06 PM (Edit)
Linton, one of the more revolting videos I have seen is some gun camera film from a German fighter attacking a straggling B-17 from underneath. It is obvious that the ball turret gunner is already dead, so the German guy has no restrictions on shooting whichever part of the bomber he likes to shoot at.
10/24/2012 at 4:06 AM (Edit)
@justhisguy ” one of the more revolting videos I have seen” blood curdling
10/24/2012 at 7:27 AM (Edit)
@LInton Herbert — ongoing disintegration of Europe has something like that at root?
Things like that would be the least of their problems.
10/24/2012 at 8:30 AM (Edit)
@sNoOOPy “Things like that would be the least of their problems.” Yes. From the headlines you’d think that the flow of money was the issue, but there is that demographic thing. Too few babies where they are most needed.
10/25/2012 at 4:37 PM (Edit)
@Linton: All’s fair in Love and War.
10/25/2012 at 6:45 PM (Edit)
@Justhisguy “Linton: All’s fair in Love and War.” Really? That’s great. You mean women follow the Geneva convention? Wonderful. News. But great.
10/25/2012 at 6:47 PM (Edit)
@linton – “You mean women follow the Geneva convention? Wonderful. News. But great.”
(^_^) (^_^) (^_^) (^_^) (^_^)
10/25/2012 at 7:39 PM (Edit)
Ahh, what I think I meant was that in both Love and War, nasty cheating often succeeds.
I think of an episode in Saburo Sakai’s autobiography. He was cruising around in his Zero and spotted an American in a P-39, droning on obliviously, straight and level. Sakai came up behind and under him, totally unobserved, and spent some time reading the labels on the access doors and counting the rivets. The bonehead in the P-39 continued to drone along, head up and locked, straight and level.
After a while, Sakai looked at his gas gauge and decided it was time to shit or get off the pot. He dropped back a bit, pulled up a bit, and just touched the triggers of his guns. The P-39 blew up spectacularly.
Sakai said he felt like a criminal, a murderer, for doing that, because it was so easy. But, well, yes, all is fair in love and war.
When Sakai got back home, his plane captain told him that he had expended exactly four rounds, one from each of his guns.
10/25/2012 at 11:19 PM (Edit)
came up behind and under him, totally unobserved
That is more than a majority of the cases of all planes shot down. Simply because of the near-impossibility of hitting a target moving 250mph under any other circumstances than that.
If you’re outside and you hear a plane droning overhead, and you try to look for it, it is very hard to find, even though you have the sound to help, it’s painted with white and red stripes, an creeping along at 130 mph.
If you were in a plane too, you wouldn’t be able to hear anything, and you have to look through a lattice window that you can’t get out to clean if it gets dirty. And it would have sky-blue paint on its belly and be going 450mph.
10/26/2012 at 4:53 AM (Edit)
“Sakai said he felt like a criminal, a murderer, for doing that, because it was so easy” Well yes, he felt a little bad in a wartime situation. Ever heard of anybody feeling bad about what they had done in a love situation?
10/26/2012 at 10:35 PM (Edit)
Well, yes. One of my favorite movies is “Dangerous Liasons.” It includes both Sex and Death, or Love and War, if you will. All who claim to be involved in Magick insist that Sex and Death are the most powerful things one can use in Making Magick. As a professing Christian, I am of course forbidden to engage in Magick.
There is a plenitude about Sex and Death in the Bible, anyway.
10/26/2012 at 10:45 PM (Edit)
Ah, Snoopy, what I meant to try to get across was that the P-39 pilot was droning along straight and level in a dangerous combat zone in Condition White, oblivious to feeling eye tracks on the back of his neck, or fingerspitzengefuehl. He should at least have been doing clearing turns at random intervals, just to be properly paranoid, and thus live longer. IMHO, it is better to live longer though suffering from cortisol poisoning, than to die sooner from being an oblivious doodah.
10/28/2012 at 11:11 PM (Edit)
Dammit, I had a witty and erudite comment almost ready to post when my stupid Ubuntu box decided to reset itself!
Anyway, it was about the Neanderthal theory of autism. I have been reading up on that lately, and y’all know I’m pretty sure I have “tendencies and traits”, so I had the housemate, who has been a professional masseur, feel my skull, anthropometrically.
Large brow ridges? Check. Small chin? Check. Wide-set eyes in deep sockets? Check. Bulges on side of skull? Check. Occipital “bun”? Check. Flat spot on skull toward back? Check. 7 7/8 hat size? Check. I seem to have the head of a ‘thal.
What I’ve noticed, m’self: Excessively earnest and socially awkward? Check. Fairly large trunk and short legs? Check. Extra-flexy joints? Check. Mysterious gut issues? Check. “Age-inappropriate relationships”? Check. (I get along quite well with kids and old people, as long as they are fellow strange people.) Pretty smart? Check.(my old SAT score will easily get me into Mensa.) Problems getting laid and getting hired? Check. Keeping a youthful appearance into middle age? Check (I have been carded buying likker well into my forties.) Mysteriously hassled by cops when lawfully minding own business? Check.
So, yeah, if had a hundred bucks to spare, I’d consult 23andme to see just how much ‘thal I have in me. I suspect that I have more than most.
10/30/2012 at 2:27 PM (Edit)
Here you go:
A golden age of sibling comparisons | Gene Expression | Discover Magazine
10/31/2012 at 12:17 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “Dammit, I had a witty and erudite comment almost ready to post when my stupid Ubuntu box decided to reset itself!”
i hate when that happens. (~_^)
@justthisguy – “So, yeah, if had a hundred bucks to spare, I’d consult 23andme to see just how much ‘thal I have in me.”
you totally should! although, the longer you wait, the cheaper it’s gonna be. in a few years it’ll prolly be $100 for your entire genome! (i exaggerate … a bit. but, still!)
10/31/2012 at 11:12 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Here you go: A golden age of sibling comparisons”
yeah. good stuff. thanks!
important to remember — very important to remember — that all those coefficients of relationship and coefficients of kinship are just probabilities. i mentioned it briefly in this post that the probable amount of dna that is identical in first cousins is 6.25%, but the standard deviation is ±2.4%.
i look forward to when a large number of genomes have been analyzed across many, many (many!) families so we can have a true idea of what the typical relatedness between the different family members is. (^_^) (kind-of like how we’re now getting more accurate estimates of mutation rates via sequencing.)
edit: the only guaranteed inheritance is that you get half your chromosomes from your mom and half from your dad (unless there is some screw-up). but even then, you do not get half your dna from your mom and half from your dad — the inheritance is uneven (’cause of the size of the x- and y-chromosomes). it’s even more so with siblings and further down the line ’cause of recombination. you really don’t know what you’re going to get!
11/09/2012 at 5:14 AM (Edit)
” the only guaranteed inheritance is that you get half your chromosomes from your mom and half from your dad (unless there is some screw-up). but even then, you do not get half your dna from your mom and half from your dad — the inheritance is uneven (’cause of the size of the x- and y-chromosomes). it’s even more so with siblings and further down the line ’cause of recombination. you really don’t know what you’re going to get!”
I wonder about this. I’ve noticed that in cases of parental favoritism, such as which parent the a child sides with after the parents split, seems to have something to do with similarity of that child to one parent over the other. Now of course, this shouldn’t be so, since all sibs are (give or take a few, as you noted) equally related to both parents…
11/09/2012 at 5:16 AM (Edit)
Here you go, the “duh!” moment of the day (though it’s good to have more proof):
Are Geeky Couples More Likely to Have Kids with Autism?: Scientific American
So much for the vaccine hypothesis to explain autism rates in places like silicon valley. In hindsight, how dumb was that?
11/09/2012 at 5:38 PM (Edit)
And following the previous:
Is Everyone on the Autism Spectrum? — New York Magazine
I think that they see a false dichotomy between the ubiquity of autistic traits and the fact that only a few are severely afflicted to the point of disability. Yes, so many people think they are on the spectrum because, frankly, a lot of people are. The fact that we want to think of it as something that you are or you’re not is clouding their reasoning.
11/12/2012 at 3:42 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “The fact that we want to think of it as something that you are or you’re not is clouding their reasoning.”
yes. i think a lot of people have a hard time (for whatever reasons) conceptualizing a spectrum. (*h.chick shrugs shoulders*)
11/12/2012 at 3:43 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “So much for the vaccine hypothesis to explain autism rates in places like silicon valley. In hindsight, how dumb was that?”
11/12/2012 at 4:07 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “I wonder about this. I’ve noticed that in cases of parental favoritism, such as which parent the a child sides with after the parents split, seems to have something to do with similarity of that child to one parent over the other. Now of course, this shouldn’t be so, since all sibs are (give or take a few, as you noted) equally related to both parents…”
well, it’s got to be that you get half your chromosomes from each parent (except for some weird copying errors) — that’s just how it works.
i wonder if the strong similarities between some kids and one or the other of their parents has got something to do with genomic impriting. -?-
i used to know two big families (9 kids in one and 10 in the other) when i was younger, and i always thought it was funny that in the 9-kid family, 7 of the kids were really like their dad and just 2 like their mom, whereas in the 10-kid family, more were like their mom than their dad. at the time i thought something along the lines of: well i guess the dad (in the first family) or mom (in the second) has “stronger genes.” no idea if that’s at all right or not.
(as a total side note: six of the kids in these two families, i.e. three from one and three from the other, married each other. (^_^) )
11/13/2012 at 10:45 AM (Edit)
“i think a lot of people have a hard time (for whatever reasons) conceptualizing a spectrum. (*h.chick shrugs shoulders*)”
“‘So much for the vaccine hypothesis to explain autism rates in places like silicon valley. In hindsight, how dumb was that?’
Point 2 explains point 1… ;)
11/13/2012 at 10:47 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
Millions of lonely people: The tragic legacy of the Left’s war on families | Mail Online
My question: is it really the Left, or is it outbreeding and English individualism doing their work?
11/13/2012 at 1:41 PM (Edit)
@JayMan — Are Geeky Couples More Likely to Have Kids with Autism?: Scientific American
12.5 percent of fathers of children with autism were engineers, compared with only 5 percent of fathers of children without autism.
These types of people are likely to have high incomes, so it could be that affluence is the correlation.
autism correlated with income
Autism correlation to wealth affirmed
“Affluent youngsters were almost twice as likely as the poorest children to have autism. … But even among children with no autism diagnosis, the richest children displayed the behaviors and signs of autism 39% more often those in the poorest neighborhoods.”
Wealthier people are more likely to:
1. Live in high population density urban areas
2. Have busier social lives
3. Move more frequently.
They would be exposed to more people and therefore more infections during pregnancy and early life than the poor because of this.
Flu During Pregnancy Linked to Autism, Says Survey
“Mothers who reported having the flu during pregnancy were at least twice as likely to have a child with autism as those who did not report having the flu, according to new survey results from a Danish study.”
11/13/2012 at 1:58 PM (Edit)
“Is Everyone on the Autism Spectrum? — New York Magazine
has adduced such telltale evidence as … verbal glitches—possibly the reason for the ever-present teleprompters,”
Apparently, politicians so infrequently use teleprompters that it is notable when one does.
11/13/2012 at 3:30 PM (Edit)
“Is Everyone on the Autism Spectrum? — New York Magazine
From Asperger’s to “Asperger’s,” how the spectrum became quite so all-inclusive.
…Is every 8-year-old boy who is obsessed with statistics on it?
…the diagnosis didn’t exist prior to 1981″
I think that the concept of autism spectrum/asperigus is an artifact of the fact that there’s a lot less mental effort required to get along in daily life because of the assistance of modern technology.
At the store the clerk passes the items over the bar-code scanner and you put your credit card in the slot and everything is automated. No mental calculation is required. A trained monkey could do it.
Thirty years ago you had to type the price into the cash register and you paid with dollar bills and coins. You have to do a little more work, but a machine is doing all the math calculations. A monkey wouldn’t quite be able to do it.
A hundred years ago you didn’t have cash registers so you had to do all the math in your head. But you at least had a monetary system based on the decimal system. If you were British you had this:
2 halfpence = 1 penny (1d)
3 pence = 1 thruppence (3d)
6 pence = 1 sixpence (a ‘tanner’) (6d)
12 pence = 1 shilling (a bob) (1s)
2 shillings = 1 florin ( a ‘two bob bit’) (2s)
2 shillings and 6 pence = 1 half crown (2s 6d)
5 shillings = 1 Crown (5s)
(remember, the abbreviation for penny is is not ‘p’, but ‘d’ for denarius)
The monkey would be in way over his head.
300 years ago in Colonial America, coins from many foreign kingdoms were in circulation. Spanish “pieces of eight”, English shillings, Dutch “lion dollars”, Massachusetts Silver. Each with a different units of denomination, varying levels of debasement, and many are clipped. You would need to be a skilled numismatist just to make a purchase. And no one would consider you “geeky” because of it.
The Coins of Colonial and Early America
in 1711, the English ship…New York City…sank…contained 8 English coins, 22 Dutch coins, 126 pieces of Massachusetts silver, 5 coins from Spain and 504 New World Spanish coins.
Ancient people had need for education and smarts too.
At 4,000 years ago, Babylonian had a modern system of mathematics.
They also built pyramids and Stonehenge and had calendars, calculated the size of the earth.
3700 years ago there was rent, loans, interest, doctors, lawyers, international trade routes, etc.
The Code of Hammurabi 1772 BC
45. If a man rent his field for tillage for a fixed rental,…
48. If any one owe a debt for a loan,…
100. . . . interest for the money, as much as he has received, he shall give a note therefor…
102. If a merchant entrust money to an agent (broker) for some investment, …
104. If a merchant give an agent corn, wool, oil, or any other goods to transport, the agent shall give a receipt for the amount, and compensate the merchant therefor. …
119. If any one fail to meet a claim for debt…
215. If a physician make a large incision with an operating knife and cure it, …
224. If a veterinary surgeon perform a serious operation ….
11/14/2012 at 4:37 AM (Edit)
@Jayman “My question: is it really the Left, or is it outbreeding and English individualism doing their work?” Wow. That’s what outbreeding will give you. Maybe there was a deliberate element, too.
11/14/2012 at 4:40 AM (Edit)
@snoopy “Wealthier people are more likely to:
1. Live in high population density urban areas
2. Have busier social lives
3. Move more frequently.” Yep. And marry outside their circle of kin I expect. I got no decent evidence, but let’s say I have a prejudice in the direction of a connection.
11/16/2012 at 10:08 AM (Edit)
White guilt, I was thinking about it. Steve Sailer thinks that white guilt has nothing to do with guilt but with status striving. But status doesn’t seem an adequate explanation, and it’s not really very fair to liberals, who say they have honest intentions, and why not? So then what explains the really deep emotional bitterness many liberals feel towards southerners? Not that they’ve ever met somebody with a confederate bumper sticker, but the disdain for Bubba goes deeper than the surface. So then I thought about a wife marrying a new husband. Suddenly she’s dependent on him and his income, maybe on her parents if things go bad, and then on her in-laws, in that order. But if the extended family is weak and distant, and the parents are poor or on bad terms with her, she rightly sees herself in a very vulnerable situation. So she votes for democrats. Compare her with someone who marries a cousin. Now she is not dependent on just her husband, but her husband depends on her also, and there is a strong reinforcement of the marriage from the in-laws.
So in the perspective of both women, there are three kinds of people: nuclear family, in-laws, and strangers. The first woman, dependent to a great extent on her nuclear family, looks to the strangers as an insurance policy, either literally (by buying insurance) or through the state. But the second women sees the state as simply strangers – she is much better off relying on her extended family, which is large enough to serve as insurance, and includes her in-laws.
So you might figure these two cases are symmetrical, but they’re not. Lady a indirectly relies on lady b, but not vice-versa. Lady b doesn’t think about a at all, except to try to avoid the revenuer. But lady a gets spittle-spewing furious at b if she can’t rely on b, but b just shrugs her shoulders. Not her problem.
So to get back to liberal guilt, what we call liberal guilt is really altruistic punishment directed against other whites (blacks may be the plaintiff but are not really party to the dispute). This altruistic punishment is directed at whites (crackers, bubbas and other racists) who do not engage in stranger-stranger reciprocity via the state ie are shirking their duties.
11/16/2012 at 10:29 AM (Edit)
So white guilt is not misnamed – it’s the attempt to makes other whites feel guilty, not any feeling of guilt whites feel towards blacks.
11/16/2012 at 11:46 AM (Edit)
@fjk “White guilt, I was thinking about it.” I think your analysis is excellent. It’s got to be right. It makes too much sense to be wrong.
11/16/2012 at 11:54 AM (Edit)
@bjk (sorry I got your handle wrong last time) “it’s the attempt to makes other whites feel guilty, not any feeling of guilt whites feel towards blacks” That’s how it strikes me. I doubt you are old enough to remember, but you can get a very good feel by watching “Dumbo” and taking a look at the crows. Disney was not always honest in his message (remember the lemmings being thrown off a cliff in Canada by a machine to demonstrate lemmings leaping to their death in Norway) but his graphics were generally above reproach. The hunters in Bambi, the sound track, were not shooting ducks. They were trap shooters. The pace is different and the cartoon is so good you can tell the difference.
Well the crows are definitely middle class. That was what is was like then. The gap between white income and black has widened drastically and the incarceration rate of black people has gone through the roof since then. There were five black owned banks in Florida then, none now. All this at enormous cost. If that doesn’t make those who did it feel guilty, and it doesn’t, they are incapable of guilt.
11/16/2012 at 2:26 PM (Edit)
@bjk – “So to get back to liberal guilt, what we call liberal guilt is really altruistic punishment directed against other whites….”
that’s really good, bjk! so good i made it its own post. (^_^)
11/18/2012 at 7:52 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
Glorious holiday! « JayMan’s Blog
(Courtesy George Takei) :)
11/19/2012 at 4:44 PM (Edit)
hbd chick, why don’t you ever use CAPITALIZATION?
Is it in order to exaggerate you feminine qualities?
11/19/2012 at 7:34 PM (Edit)
@aspic – “hbd chick, why don’t you ever use CAPITALIZATION? Is it in order to exaggerate you feminine qualities?”
why don’t you double check you typing/spelling? is it in order to exaggerate you (fill in the blank) qualities? (~_^)
11/23/2012 at 9:00 PM (Edit)
On cash registers: My Dad’s first real job was as a cashier at an A&P grocery store, back around 1932 or so. There were no cash registers. He added up the total with a pencil on the grocery sack, and invited the customer to check his arithmetic.Basic literacy and numeracy were assumed to be possessed by all, back then.
Lately, I amazed a cashier at a local Publix by calculating the sales tax in my head, and handing her the exact change. Third-grade arithmetic, that was.
11/24/2012 at 9:49 AM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “Lately, I amazed a cashier at a local Publix by calculating the sales tax in my head, and handing her the exact change. Third-grade arithmetic, that was.”
heh. (^_^) it can be easy to astound some people. (~_^)
11/29/2012 at 7:55 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
Happiest Place On Earth?
11/29/2012 at 10:43 PM (Edit)
@jayman – “Happiest Place On Earth?”
ha! (^_^) i’m gonna make that my new wallpaper. (^_^)
12/01/2012 at 11:10 PM (Edit)
Peter Frost delving into your area of interest:
Evo and Proud: Origins of English individualism
12/02/2012 at 7:26 PM (Edit)
Once the Hindu-Indians take over the whole IT department (Hindu only IT ghetto), the following series of events takes place…
12/03/2012 at 8:24 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Once the Hindu-Indians take over the whole IT department (Hindu only IT ghetto), the following series of events takes place…”
yes, i saw that! i want to sit down one day and study the different divisions the author of the comment described — see how they track (if they do) with how things are in india. interesting comment!
12/05/2012 at 9:17 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
And the most corrupt nation this year is…. (+video) – CSMonitor.com
12/06/2012 at 7:03 AM (Edit)
Best escalator ever
What do you think?
12/06/2012 at 9:16 AM (Edit)
@jayman – best escalator. ever! (^_^)
that’s awesome! (^_^) there’s a youtube video (w/groovy music):
12/07/2012 at 8:19 AM (Edit)
“that’s awesome! (^_^) there’s a youtube video (w/groovy music)”
12/07/2012 at 8:21 AM (Edit)
Seems Americans are becoming their own people:
The emergence of a genetically unique population in Midwestern United States
12/07/2012 at 9:06 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “Seems Americans are becoming their own people”
that is so cool! thanks!
i wonder if anyone’s done a study(/studies) like that on populations in other regions of the u.s. (or canada for that matter)? anyone ever compare, for instance, (true) new englanders to the english/east anglians?
12/08/2012 at 7:12 AM (Edit)
Actually, for my own purposes, I’d love to see White Americans across the country genotyped, so we could get an idea of what their true ancestry is, and not the BS self-reported one they give us.
12/08/2012 at 7:12 AM (Edit)
The new Walmart logo
Explains a lot doesn’t it?
12/09/2012 at 8:33 AM (Edit)
Here you go. An article in the comments at my blog that seems part and parcel to what’s discussed here.
12/11/2012 at 6:50 PM (Edit)
Check out this map
Looks like you may be in for more answers to some of your questions about relatedness around the world.
12/14/2012 at 12:49 PM (Edit)
Is this you, HBD Chick, or an impostor?
If it is you, do you normally have curly hair, and do you like spiders?
12/15/2012 at 7:19 AM (Edit)
@jtgw – “If it is you, do you normally have curly hair, and do you like spiders?””
ha! no, not me and not my hair. i’ve got nuthin’ against spiders though. (^_^)
12/20/2012 at 8:00 PM (Edit)
So it seems my little slapped-together pic of the Tau Ceti system compared to our own is a bit of a hit on Google Images (go ahead and Google it :) ), and is directing a lot of traffic to my blog!
Of course, I can only imagine what most of these people think when they see the other stuff on my blog… ;)
12/21/2012 at 6:34 AM (Edit)
@jayman – “So it seems my little slapped-together pic of the Tau Ceti system compared to our own is a bit of a hit on Google Images (go ahead and Google it :) ), and is directing a lot of traffic to my blog!”
oh, that is so funny! (^_^) (when are we leaving for tau ceti, btw??)
@jayman – “Of course, I can only imagine what most of these people think when they see the other stuff on my blog… ;)”
shock and horror! (~_^)
12/21/2012 at 7:53 AM (Edit)
“when are we leaving for tau ceti, btw??”
Well we really should leave today seeing that this is the last day of life here on Earth and all… ;)
12/21/2012 at 7:54 AM (Edit)
Here you go:
China: so corrupt even the police are protesting – YouTube
12/21/2012 at 1:39 PM (Edit)
“@jayman – ‘Of course, I can only imagine what most of these people think when they see the other stuff on my blog… ;)’
shock and horror! (~_^)”
12/21/2012 at 4:15 PM (Edit)
Oh, Man, Jayman! You are not kidding. I gave that post of yours a cursory look and went all OMG! Look, boys and girls, as a professing Christian I believe that we are all equal in the sight of God as valuable souls to him, but not necessarily otherwise.
Look: Some of us are smart, and some of us are dumb. Some of us are mean and nasty, and some of us are excessively wussy. Some of us are industrious, and some of us are slackers (I plead guilty on the slacker question), some of us are big and strong and young, some of us are old and feeble, some of us like to hang out with other humans, some of us like to go off by themselves, some of us are “slender nervous people” (as Barney Fife said), some of us look like tackles for pro football teams, some of us are natural-born sweety-pies, some of us are natural-born assholes….
I could go on, but I think you catch my drift. Oh, and then there are the differences between the Menzes and the Wimminzes…!
12/21/2012 at 5:06 PM (Edit)
@justthisguy – “…some of us are slackers….”
*hbd chick sheepishly raises her hand…* (~_^)
12/22/2012 at 12:10 AM (Edit)
And then there is seniority. I write in the military sense of the word. That is, there are men to whom I defer who are chronologically younger than I am, but they are nonetheless senior to me in the social hierarchy. For instance, my Pastor and I were playing “Guess my age” the other day, and I figured he was about my age (I am into my seventh decade.) I was surprised to hear him say that he is only 47, that is, young enough to be my kid. I still address him as “Sir”,
Just as I did Cap’n Lex before he died, and as I address Major Donovan over at Castle Argghhh! All three of those guys are chronologically younger than I am, but they are senior to me in their walk in The World.
12/31/2012 at 6:11 PM (Edit)
Heh…I slack off at times myself; ’tis not necessarily a good thing, but it’s the truth.
BTW, happy New Year hbd* chick! I owe you belated thanks for linking to my Hispanic HBD primer a few months (I promise you there’s much more to come on that front next year); plus, of all the referrers to my blog, your blog came in at #5…so thanks for that too! :-)
12/31/2012 at 6:13 PM (Edit)
That should read “…a few months ago…”
12/31/2012 at 6:54 PM (Edit)
@nelson – “I owe you belated thanks for linking to my Hispanic HBD primer a few months (I promise you there’s much more to come on that front next year); plus, of all the referrers to my blog, your blog came in at #5…so thanks for that too! :-)”
you’re very welcome! i look forward to more posts. (^_^) and happy new year to you, too. (^_^)